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Leverage and no trade clauses

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yes, another Desean Watson post.

I see a lot of misinformation in all of these Watson threads so it might be good to explain how some of this works.

First of all the financial reasons Watson won't sit out too long:

So far in his career he has made about $40m.  Lets assume between agents and taxes he lost about 40% (speak up any accountants) of that, that leaves about $24m.

Sounds great, but $27m of that was a signing bonus, of which he has only played one year of.  According to Schefter they could actually go back after $21.6m.  

So if he has $24m and they can go after $21.6m, that only leaves $2.4m.  To most of us that is enough to live a lifetime but I'm guessing he has bigger bills than us.  I know he probably has some endorsement money also but overall he stands to lose a large percentage of his income.  

He needs his money way more than the Texans need theirs.  He won't sit out for an extend time or retire.  

 

 

In regards to the "no trade clause" it doesn't create as much leverage as some on here think. 

A "no trade clause" has the most leverage when a player DOESN'T want to be traded.  Example:

Team says, "Hey Desean, we are trading you to Minnesota", Desean says, "no thanks, I like it here, I have a no trade clause."

No trade clauses are mostly designed to help players NOT get traded.  Once a player says he wants to get traded he basically loses some of the leverage that the clause carries.  Example:

Desean says "I want to be traded".  Desean says, "I really want to go to the 49ers".  Teams says "we have better deals from the Jets and Panthers, you can choose between those two or you can not be traded at all"

The team knows Desean wants to leave, and they know if he wants to leave that bad he will go to most teams.

Don't get me wrong, the no trade clause helps, and yes Desean can sit out and it does hurt the team but he doesn't have all of the leverage like some on here think.

 

 

 

 

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45 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

yes, another Desean Watson post.

I see a lot of misinformation in all of these Watson threads so it might be good to explain how some of this works.

First of all the financial reasons Watson won't sit out too long:

So far in his career he has made about $40m.  Lets assume between agents and taxes he lost about 40% (speak up any accountants) of that, that leaves about $24m.

Sounds great, but $27m of that was a signing bonus, of which he has only played one year of.  According to Schefter they could actually go back after $21.6m.  

So if he has $24m and they can go after $21.6m, that only leaves $2.4m.  To most of us that is enough to live a lifetime but I'm guessing he has bigger bills than us.  I know he probably has some endorsement money also but overall he stands to lose a large percentage of his income.  

He needs his money way more than the Texans need theirs.  He won't sit out for an extend time or retire.  

 

 

In regards to the "no trade clause" it doesn't create as much leverage as some on here think. 

A "no trade clause" has the most leverage when a player DOESN'T want to be traded.  Example:

Team says, "Hey Desean, we are trading you to Minnesota", Desean says, "no thanks, I like it here, I have a no trade clause."

No trade clauses are mostly designed to help players NOT get traded.  Once a player says he wants to get traded he basically loses some of the leverage that the clause carries.  Example:

Desean says "I want to be traded".  Desean says, "I really want to go to the 49ers".  Teams says "we have better deals from the Jets and Panthers, you can choose between those two or you can not be traded at all"

The team knows Desean wants to leave, and they know if he wants to leave that bad he will go to most teams.

Don't get me wrong, the no trade clause helps, and yes Desean can sit out and it does hurt the team but he doesn't have all of the leverage like some on here think.

Preach.

40% is low...

Deshaun cannot afford to sit out.

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1 minute ago, mav1234 said:

Lol.. those of us noting Watson has leverage due to the no trade clause is relative to a player without one.  Do we really need to walk through why that is the case?

Akin to a guy who has $1 compared to the dude who is flat broke?

Neither have any leverage...

 

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I also feel there is a form of leverage on Watson's side that wasn't mentioned.  Its more indirect and not easily quantifiable. 

I feel the negative PR of Texans front office with dealing with Watson + his status up in the air (placing Texans "plan" up in the air, can all be a factor in getting quality FAs.  The longer this goes on, the worse its gets.  It benefits the Texans to take care of this as quickly as possible.  Either placating Watson to stay, or moving him. 

Sure, there will always be the FAs that just follow the money and take the highest pay out.

But I am sure there are many FAs that have similar offers from a variety of teams.  They look for contender status, who their team mates would be, how the front office works with its players.

 

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Tell me the last time forcing a player to sit out worked well for the team that did it? In the end, the player ends up going elsewhere, happily or otherwise. 

You can make a case about Antonio Brown, but he was/is a nut case. Deshaun is not that.

Free agents will still sign with the Texans, but probably not big ones if Texans do that.

Hint: they won't.

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