Panthers trade proposal via ESPN

[Tr3ach]

One of the biggest problems is if we trade three first rounders how do we fill the rest of the roster holes ie o-line and cb?  Sure they will have later picks but those are nowhere near guaranteed and also after this season Watson's contract is huge so we will be cap strapped as well when it comes to bringing in free agents.  All that said I'm 50/50 on the trade, they have to have a really good plan of how they are going to fix the rest of the roster if they do it because it definitely limits the options.

[LinvilleGorge]

14 minutes ago, t96 said:

We hated it because it was 2-3 years and to get rid of him before that we'd have to eat a big cap hit and mainly because we don't actually have a concrete plan in place to replace him, even still. If we had drafted Tua or Herbert the perception of the Teddy signing would be significantly different. Texans will have a young QB there to be excited about. 1 season of Teddy with no dead cap after that won't affect that at all. Not even close to comparable.

If they're sitting at #8 they may or may not have that young QB to get excited about. #8 might be on the outside looking in on the QB run.

I think that was our plan last year too, but #7 turned out to be one pick too late. Good chance #8 ends up being that way this year too.

[Khyber53]

If you hated the Matt Kalil signing, you're really going to regret this one AND the draft trade implications.

You mortgage your future drafts AND salary cap to get one player who is just one Alex Smith-type hit away from being out of the game ... and you are still on the hook for him. 

Fellas, if you just sit back and wait, Watson will start yelling louder about the trade, more teams will walk away with it and maybe Texas will be willing to trade straight up for Teddy just to get out from under the $82 million cap hit in 2022-2023 followed by another $37 million the next season. And there's no get out clause until 2025.

That contract makes a Hurney contract look like a genius did it. The Texans were hamstringed by a bad coach that needed that QB and he (as GM) literally sold the team out to keep him. And then he got fired.

Learning to move on from your own mistakes is something we all have to learn. Moving on from OTHER people's mistakes is vitally important! Just walk away from this train wreck. 

[joemac]

53 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yes. I'd hate to give up three 1sts but unloading Teddy and his contract would be a plus and getting back a couple of mid-round draft picks would help ease the blow. I'd be trying to hang onto #39 and offer our 3rd instead and trying to get that '23 4th from them up to a 3rd but at the end of the day, I'd do that deal as written.

I just really don't think the Texans will have any interest in Teddy at all. Imagine trading away 25 year old Cam and then having to sell your fanbase on Teddy Bridgewater. Oh wee mayne indeed.

In reality its only 2 firsts because we would most likely be taking a QB at 8 this year.  So its like drafting Watson at 8.

[t96]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If they're sitting at #8 they may or may not have that young QB to get excited about. #8 might be on the outside looking in on the QB run.

I think that was our plan last year too, but #7 turned out to be one pick too late. Good chance #8 ends up being that way this year too.

Unless they get another young QB they like in a trade for Watson (Tua, Darnold), there is no chance they don't take a QB in this draft. They'd have plenty of capital to trade up from 8 if necessary and still a bunch left over from the trade to build elsewhere.

[joemac]

36 minutes ago, TheProcess said:

If your GM can't continue to build around Watson in rounds 2-7, then you have the wrong GM. If 1st round picks were all it took, Marty would have won multiple super bowls as our GM

People around here hold too much value on a first round pick.  You could end up with Kelvin Benjamin, Vernon Butler or Shaq Thompson (not that hes bad, but does he play at a first round level?)

[kungfoodude]

35 minutes ago, Icege said:

Getting reeeaaal close to it since he has a $35M salary in 2022. Drops to $20M in 2023 but then hikes back up to $32M the two seasons after (roster bonus is covered by the old team, correct? Or is that not covered like signing bonuses?)

He would be owed $35 mil in 2022 and $37 mil in 2023. That may not be the high water mark for QB pay at the time. That is TBD.

A lot of how badly that hurts us will be determined by how the cap adjusts for the COVID revenue loss. We could be back at original levels in 2022/2023 or they could be spreading out the complete revenue hit still(currently projected to be a spread out over those three years). 

[t96]

3 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

If you hated the Matt Kalil signing, you're really going to regret this one AND the draft trade implications.

You mortgage your future drafts AND salary cap to get one player who is just one Alex Smith-type hit away from being out of the game ... and you are still on the hook for him. 

Fellas, if you just sit back and wait, Watson will start yelling louder about the trade, more teams will walk away with it and maybe Texas will be willing to trade straight up for Teddy just to get out from under the $82 million cap hit in 2022-2023 followed by another $37 million the next season. And there's no get out clause until 2025.

That contract makes a Hurney contract look like a genius did it. The Texans were hamstringed by a bad coach that needed that QB and he (as GM) literally sold the team out to keep him. And then he got fired.

Learning to move on from your own mistakes is something we all have to learn. Moving on from OTHER people's mistakes is vitally important! Just walk away from this train wreck. 

Come on... That Alex Smith type hit has happened like twice in NFL history. Every player has this risk, do you think the Chiefs shouldn't have paid Mahomes because he could be "out of the game and you are still on the hook for him?" If we had 1st overall should we pass up Lawrence and trade down because "one hit could take him out of the game?" That's ridiculous. Going by that logic we should have try to have zero star players and try to build a team of 22 average or slightly above average players with good depth. That won't win you a SB. Don't even try to compare Matt fuging Kalil to an MVP caliber franchise QB who is 25 years old.

 

I prefer we try to get a rookie QB rather than pay a ton for Watson, but rarely does an opportunity come along to acquire an elite franchise QB this easily and many franchises wait decades for it (as we know all too well). If the team finds a deal they like and trades for Watson, I'm confident it'll be an outstanding move.

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, t96 said:

Unless they get another young QB they like in a trade for Watson (Tua, Darnold), there is no chance they don't take a QB in this draft. They'd have plenty of capital to trade up from 8 if necessary and still a bunch left over from the trade to build elsewhere.

If they're sitting at #8 and don't/can't trade up and Lawrence, Fields, Wilson, and Lance are all gone what are they gonna do? Reach on Mac Jones? Oh wee mayne.

[xPariahx]

53 minutes ago, OneBadCat said:

Hell yes Id take that. Keeping Burns, CMC, and DJ would be huge. You're not guaranteed to nail every first round pick.

shoulda kept The Hurn. #FeelTheHurn

[JawnyBlaze]

Three firsts and this year’s second? Tough pill to swallow but if it means a long term franchise QB, you do what you gotta

[LinvilleGorge]

12 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Fellas, if you just sit back and wait, Watson will start yelling louder about the trade, more teams will walk away with it and maybe Texas will be willing to trade straight up for Teddy just to get out from under the $82 million cap hit in 2022-2023 followed by another $37 million the next season. And there's no get out clause until 2025.

[therealmjl]

PLEAESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

44 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

compared to your brilliant plan where you accept less than is being offered

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