Interesting change in draft philosophy

[AU-panther]

10 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Yes, because they have a very good QB. A 12-4 team was dumped in the wild card round. If I was a fan I would be pissed at that. Still better than us? Sure.

I want the Panthers to be a bully and not a wet noodle that sneaks into the playoffs to be a punching bag. Aim for the best and not good enough would be my retort to you. 

Edit: Also we were in a SB more recently then them with that nice record. Just saying. 

Here again how many teams were better than them over the last 10 years, last 5?  The list is small.

Also they were constantly better than us than when we had Cam.  

They also won a SB more recently than us.

You cant count on outlier single years, as a fan you should want your team to be good year in and year out.  To make the playoffs almost every year.  They have done that for the past 5-10 years as well as almost anyone.

For a franchise that has never had back to back winning records their history should be exactly what we are trying to be.

 

 

[Mr. Scot]

18 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Also we were in a SB more recently then them with that nice record. Just saying. 

Yeah, but we've barely even sniffed it since then. They've been a contender on an annual basis.

We can talk about the methodology and everything, but the bottom line is whatever they're doing, they're doing it better than us.

Edited January 22, 2021 by Mr. Scot

[Waldo]

1 minute ago, AU-panther said:

Here again how many teams were better than them over the last 10 years, last 5?  The list is small.

Also they were constantly better than us than when we had Cam.  

They also won a SB more recently than us.

You cant count on outlier single years, as a fan you should want your team to be good year in and year out.  To make the playoffs almost every year.  They have done that for the past 5-10 years as well as almost anyone.

For a franchise that has never had back to back winning records their history should be exactly what we are trying to be.

 

 

Any team that won a SB in the last 5 years is technically better. I get it, wins do matter. The goal is still a SB and they have not been since 2014. That's a failure, better than us since 2016 but still not all world.

Teams have tried to copy or steal from NE, the best hands down, and they keep failing. Vrabel is doing well but still not lights out in Tenn but the rest are flame outs. 

Making the playoffs isn't the point, it's an achievement not the goal. Winning the playoffs is. We have different goals we would like to see apparently. I like they guy so far but I do have concerns...he is going to have to prove it and I am happy to see him try. Why that is such an issue to others I just don't understand. 

[Cary Kollins]

He’s not wrong. Go look at any draft in the past ten years and you see a whole bunch of randos mixed with solid players between picks 20-40.

Edited January 22, 2021 by Cary Kollins

[AU-panther]

Just now, Waldo said:

Any team that won a SB in the last 5 years is technically better. I get it, wins do matter. The goal is still a SB and they have not been since 2014. That's a failure, better than us since 2016 but still not all world.

Teams have tried to copy or steal from NE, the best hands down, and they keep failing. Vrabel is doing well but still not lights out in Tenn but the rest are flame outs. 

Making the playoffs isn't the point, it's an achievement not the goal. Winning the playoffs is. We have different goals we would like to see apparently. I like they guy so far but I do have concerns...he is going to have to prove it and I am happy to see him try. Why that is such an issue to others I just don't understand. 

best way to win the Super Bowl is to give yourself a chance every year, as a fan that is pretty much all you can ask for.  After that there is some luck involved, look at the Bills that lost 4 straight, or Eli and the Giants that won 2.

You can't count on hot streaks or predict them, but you can build consistency and then you hope the hot streak happens.  If you don't like their model of success who exactly do you like?  Outside of the Patriots of course?

 

[Waldo]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yeah, but we've barely even sniffed it since then. They've been a contender on an annual basis.

We can talk about the methodology and everything, but the bottom line is whatever they're doing, they're doing it better than us.

If just making it into the playoffs if what you define as a contender then WTF is a contender? Hell no. They were participants this year, not contenders, just like the Seahawks once the regular season ended. The contenders will be playing this weekend. 

I get it, I would just like to have a higher bar then a bad good team. Jesus how beaten down is this fanbase? 

[Waldo]

Just now, AU-panther said:

best way to win the Super Bowl is to give yourself a chance every year, as a fan that is pretty much all you can ask for.  After that there is some luck involved, look at the Bills that lost 4 straight, or Eli and the Giants that won 2.

You can't count on hot streaks or predict them, but you can build consistency and then you hope the hot streak happens.  If you don't like their model of success who exactly do you like?  Outside of the Patriots of course?

 

They fail better than us, yay.

There is a lot to emulate there but you are completely hung up in winning the regular season and not postseason. That's like winning the offseason, no trophy. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Waldo said:

If just making it into the playoffs if what you define as a contender then WTF is a contender? Hell no. They were participants this year, not contenders, just like the Seahawks once the regular season ended. The contenders will be playing this weekend. 

I get it, I would just like to have a higher bar then a bad good team. Jesus how beaten down is this fanbase? 

I define being in the playoffs as being a contender, though to be a serious contender it helps to do well in the playoffs.

That's all semantics though. Whatever word you wanna use for having at least a measure of success, they're it...and we're not.

[Waldo]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

I define being in the playoffs as being a contender, though to be a serious contender it helps to do well in the playoffs.

That's all semantics though. Whatever word you wanna use for having at least a measure of success, they're it...and we're not.

I would think a real contender has to actually win a playoff game by definition. Not trying to be snarky at all about this. The entire we made it to the playoffs, where is my participation trophy angle just doesn't sit well with me. 

My entire point was there is some there to critique and discuss. Just winning isn't enough, even though it looks like beginning to climb Mt Everest from where we are now. 

[Waldo]

10 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

best way to win the Super Bowl is to give yourself a chance every year, as a fan that is pretty much all you can ask for.  After that there is some luck involved, look at the Bills that lost 4 straight, or Eli and the Giants that won 2.

You can't count on hot streaks or predict them, but you can build consistency and then you hope the hot streak happens.  If you don't like their model of success who exactly do you like?  Outside of the Patriots of course?

 

Seattle has grown stale and is living off of their QBs production and good coaching. If they adjusted and updated they could be a power house but it appears they are happy with close and I am guessing with a completely hands off ownership, there is not much pressure at this time to change anything. 

I like what KC has built recently and look to be keeping up. I think looking at NE is the wrong thing to do but instead look to BB, he is the reason for success and he needs to find new blood to help get back on track. It will be interesting to see what he does, guy is a genius. The Bills are doing it really well. I think I would take the most from 49ers and KC. I do not want to emulate. We chased the idea of the Steelers for years and I would rather steal and adapt then emulate. I guess I look at emulating like trying to re-catch lightning in a bottle and that's why teams that do it fail so often. 

[Jon Snow]

20 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Any team that won a SB in the last 5 years is technically better. I get it, wins do matter. The goal is still a SB and they have not been since 2014. That's a failure, better than us since 2016 but still not all world.

Teams have tried to copy or steal from NE, the best hands down, and they keep failing. Vrabel is doing well but still not lights out in Tenn but the rest are flame outs. 

Making the playoffs isn't the point, it's an achievement not the goal. Winning the playoffs is. We have different goals we would like to see apparently. I like they guy so far but I do have concerns...he is going to have to prove it and I am happy to see him try. Why that is such an issue to others I just don't understand. 

To win Superbowls you have to consistently win your conference.  To consistently win your conference you have to consistently make the playoffs.  So the goal is to consistently have a winning team.  The rest will come if the first goal is accomplished.  Trust the process.

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, Waldo said:

I would think a real contender has to actually win a playoff game by definition. Not trying to be snarky at all about this. The entire we made it to the playoffs, where is my participation trophy angle just doesn't sit well with me. 

My entire point was there is some there to critique and discuss. Just winning isn't enough, even though it looks like beginning to climb Mt Everest from where we are now. 

I'll go back to something I asked earlier.

Would you judge Sean McDermott by what Ron Rivera accomplished?

He's been part of a show for a while. Now it's his show.

Let's see what he can do.

[Waldo]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'll go back to something I asked earlier.

Would you judge Sean McDermott by what Ron Rivera accomplished?

He's been part of a show for a while. Now it's his show.

Let's see what he can do.

I am not judging Fritters just discussing possibilities. Your statement makes it sound like judging the Seahawks is judging Fritters when in fact I am just talking about projecting Fritters possible tendencies. I know I am rough as cobb but that's it. 

And I would have kept McD over Ron that year anyways. If anything, McD made Ron look better as a HC. That is what I hope Fritters is, their McD. 

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Waldo said:

I am not judging Fritters just discussing possibilities. Your statement makes it sound like judging the Seahawks is judging Fritters when in fact I am just talking about projecting Fritters possible tendencies. I know I am rough as cobb but that's it. 

And I would have kept McD over Ron that year anyways. If anything, McD made Ron look better as a HC. That is what I hope Fritters is, their McD. 

The nature of all football front office work is trying to predict the future.

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