Realistic trade values for Watson

[RockyTopVol]

It will take three firsts for a guy like Watson. 

[kungfoodude]

10 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

I would not be surprised by that, either. 

It is just comical to watch people here think we can pawn off our less-than-stellar contracts on the Texans for Watson.  "We'll give you our #8 pick and all the players we have under contract that we don't really want for a guy ten other teams may be willing to trade for."

Or, as Onmyown pointed out, trade our best talent and our ability to address the holes for the next three years, essentially recreating the situation we had when our offensive philosophy was basically "we have Cam Newton."  And then they will complain that our offensive philosophy is "we have Deshaun Watson" and we have not done anything to get him any help.

It's like we have people who hated the Hurney-Rivera methodology so much they want to recreate it!

Yeah, I pointed out yesterday that if we were to give up players that they would likely want, it's going to be difficult pills to swallow, like Brian Burns or DJ Moore not bloated contracts like CMC or Teddy Bridgewater. 

I am not against trading a bunch of picks for Watson but I also am very well aware of that no-trade clause and I am not envisioning a scenario in which Watson would want to come to Carolina. Right now our biggest asset to offer is the receiving corps(which we might have to give up some of) and pitch of the "building for the future" of a franchise.

If I were Deshaun Watson, why would I want to go to a franchise mired in rebuilding that might have to give up enough assets that make the rebuild much more difficult? If I get to be Deshaun Watson in that scenario? Give me the 49ers, the Dolphins or maybe the Colts. That's about all I would be interested in.

Edited January 20, 2021 by kungfoodude

[Sgt Schultz]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, I pointed out yesterday that if we were to give up players that they would likely want, it's going to be difficult pills to swallow, like Brian Burns or DJ Moore not bloated contracts like CMC or Teddy Bridgewater. 

I am not against trading a bunch of picks for Watson but I also am very well aware of that no-trade clause and I am not envisioning a scenario in which Watson would want to come to Carolina. Right now our biggest asset to offer is the receiving corps(which we might have to give up some of) and pitch of the "building for the future" of a franchise.

If I were Deshaun Watson, why would I want to go to a franchise mired in rebuilding that might have to give up enough assets that make the rebuild much more difficult? If I get to be Deshaun Watson in that scenario? Give me the 49ers, the Dolphins or maybe the Colts. That's about all I would be interested in.

Yessir.  I was looking at cap space earlier, and the Colts have plenty of it and the Dolphins have their share.  Neither of them would need to eat their own young in order to make this deal.  I can't imagine the Texans want to deal him to the Colts, but at some point they may not have a choice. 

The 49ers would be intriguing, too.  If they can find a home for Garoppolo, they are sitting in good shape. 

These are all teams that could part with high draft choices for the next couple of years and not kill themselves.  The teams are in decent shape, and the holes that are left can be addressed in FA.....since they would have the cap space to do so.  They can all win in the short-term.

I just don't see us in that situation.  If this situation came up in a year or two, maybe.

[Zaximus]

53 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

Maybe I'm being pessimistic but to me someone like the Jets would quickly offer their 1st this year plus their next two 1st, which would be a way better deal, same with Miami.  The #2 pick from the Jets is probably worth everything you are talking about offering by itself.  If they don't want to draft QB2 at pick 2 they can easily flip it for at least 2 first round picks.

 

 

 

He has a no-trade clause.   Unless he doesn't want to win ever, he would most definitely nix that trade.   I think the fact he has the clause is what makes the Panthers an interesting choice.   When you look at teams that would probably want him we're one of the best landing spots.   Now we hired his old coach and he's from Georgia which isn't super far away.  

45 minutes ago, spizike99x said:

TB lol and they have more talent than we do on their roster. 

We literally have the best wide receiving core in the entire league.    Any QB that can throw more than 10 yards would be loving this group.    Also a potential healthy CMC in the mix.    Our defense played surpassingly well the second half the season and should get better.    We would have won 5 more games at least this year if we had a better QB.

[SOJA]

I was going to reply to your reply but then you made a whole thread

Dude the Seahawks got RIPPED for the Adams trade. 

Also your notably leaving out that this same Houston Texans team traded one of the three best WRs in football for a second rounder and a hurt RB

[kungfoodude]

8 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

Yessir.  I was looking at cap space earlier, and the Colts have plenty of it and the Dolphins have their share.  Neither of them would need to eat their own young in order to make this deal.  I can't imagine the Texans want to deal him to the Colts, but at some point they may not have a choice. 

The 49ers would be intriguing, too.  If they can find a home for Garoppolo, they are sitting in good shape. 

These are all teams that could part with high draft choices for the next couple of years and not kill themselves.  The teams are in decent shape, and the holes that are left can be addressed in FA.....since they would have the cap space to do so.  They can all win in the short-term.

I just don't see us in that situation.  If this situation came up in a year or two, maybe.

Yeah, the only possible scenario I see Watson here is in the forced trade, single team force scenario. In that world, perhaps we can get Houston to blink and give us a little bit more of a reasonable trade deal but I think we are talking about less than 1% likelihood of that kind of thing transpiring. 

For me, the Watson scenario has just been great fodder for discussion, so I am happy to have it for that reason alone. I am sure it will be an anticlimactic resolution in comparison to the debate surrounding where he could go.

[Varking]

1 hour ago, spizike99x said:

Every time one of these threads are started I just shake my head at this fan base. Most of you guys are so inept to think Watson will turn this franchise around singlehandedly, with all the glaring holes we still need to fill. Pathetic. 

It would solve the hardest position in sports to solve. That’s a good start. 

[TrevorLaurenceTime22]

1 hour ago, cookinbrak said:

Who won more games last year, Watson or Bridgewater?

They won the same amount... 4. 

[Basbear]

3 hours ago, spizike99x said:

Every time one of these threads are started I just shake my head at this fan base. Most of you guys are so inept to think Watson will turn this franchise around singlehandedly, with all the glaring holes we still need to fill. . 

Let them dream, its been a rough last years as a panthers fan. 

[Shocker]

The fans were organizing a riot...I mean march against them trading him.  Completely possible nothing happens with him.

[07579394]

Terrible,that's no fun.

[cookinbrak]

5 hours ago, TrevorLaurenceTime22 said:

They won the same amount... 4. 

Exactly. Only Houston traded their 1st rd pick to Miami because "Watson needs better blocking". He regressed and they don't have a 1st rd pick now. I think Deondre Hopkins took a lot of Watson's fire with him.

[mrcompletely11]

6 hours ago, Zaximus said:

He has a no-trade clause.   Unless he doesn't want to win ever, he would most definitely nix that trade.   I think the fact he has the clause is what makes the Panthers an interesting choice.   When you look at teams that would probably want him we're one of the best landing spots.   Now we hired his old coach and he's from Georgia which isn't super far away.  

We literally have the best wide receiving core in the entire league.    Any QB that can throw more than 10 yards would be loving this group.    Also a potential healthy CMC in the mix.    Our defense played surpassingly well the second half the season and should get better.    We would have won 5 more games at least this year if we had a better QB.

Best receiving core in the league???????
 

 

 

godalmighty

[Jon Snow]

8 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Best receiving core in the league???????
 

 

 

godalmighty

What will it be when Samuel leaves and they have to toss in DJ on the trade for Watson.  Not looking so good now.