COMPENSATORY PICK update

[45catfan]

1 minute ago, stbugs said:

Should. We were in line to get a 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th according to the cancellation chart (supposedly 4 is the max), but we'll only get the 5th and 6th. Better than nothing, but we would have had a haul if we didn't sign Teddy*, Weatherly and either Burris or Roberts.

* Don't forget that not only did we lose our 3rd for Bradberry, but the Saints get a 3rd for Teddy.

Heck, if we end up with 8 picks I'll be happy.  The extra pick is either a K, TE, or DT.

[t96]

9 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

correct me if I'm wrong but:

2014 zero

2015 2

2016 zero

2017 1

2018 zero

Not sure if I would consider that valuing them.  If I missed one let me know.

That looks right, I haven’t checked the actual numbers, but I do recall him talking about valuing them and them being a part of the equation, which when compared with Hurney, these numbers seem to support. I also recall at least a few times where DG a specifically targeted players that were released or that wouldn’t count towards the formula to preserve the ones we did get. DG had his faults, including as the other poster said trading away draft picks, but I don’t think that he didn’t value comp picks at least to some degree. Would be interesting to look at the average number of comp picks for each team from 2014 to 2018 to compare. I think DG would be around average, with teams like NE, BAL, PIT, GB, etc. crushing it at the top. Hopefully we can become a team in that group with Fitt and Rhule.

[AU-panther]

People like to devalue comp picks, because for the most part, they are later round picks that do have small chances of working out but if you have neough of them overtime you should hit on some.

Alsom some teams like to use them as currency for other things, either trading up in the draft or some teams will them to trade for vet players on cheap contracts.  

[AU-panther]

2 minutes ago, t96 said:

That looks right, I haven’t checked the actual numbers, but I do recall him talking about valuing them and them being a part of the equation, which when compared with Hurney, these numbers seem to support. I also recall at least a few times where DG a specifically targeted players that were released or that wouldn’t count towards the formula to preserve the ones we did get. DG had his faults, including as the other poster said trading away draft picks, but I don’t think that he didn’t value comp picks at least to some degree. Would be interesting to look at the average number of comp picks for each team from 2014 to 2018 to compare. I think DG would be around average, with teams like NE, BAL, PIT, GB, etc. crushing it at the top. Hopefully we can become a team in that group with Fitt and Rhule.

He definitely played the comp pic game one year, but some teams such as the Ravens, Pats, and Packers play it almost every year.  That is my idea of focusing on it.

 

[ForJimmy]

Love how they can be traded now. We can use both of them to move up and grab a player we really like.

[top dawg]

They're nice, but they shouldn't impede the business at hand! Just something else to consider among need-based calculations.

[Pazhoosier89]

Seattle is in the upper half of the league as far as comp picks historically so Fitt comes from an organization that takes these in consideration. Panthers are in the bottom half of comp picks received.

Sea: 30 comp picks total 

Panthers: 16 comp picks total

 

https://overthecap.com/compensatory-pick-history/

Edited January 19, 2021 by Pazhoosier89

[45catfan]

Again, If we get two extra picks, I'm happy.  I get a DL that otherwise I wouldn't have drafted and either a very late OG or TE, neither of which will likely make the team anyways.

[AU-panther]

Just now, stbugs said:

Tom Brady was a 6th round compensatory pick. Nuff said.

I don't even expect that kind of fortune.  There is nothing wrong with a pick like CAP or David Mayo.  Decent backups on cheap, cost controlled contracts.  Every pick doesn't have to be a star, the draft can be a cheap way to fill out your roster.

Speaking of the Pats, they will often use late round pics to secure free agents before they are released by other teams.

 

[45catfan]

The Tom Brady 6th round exception should get a thread locked.  I'm just kidding, but you can only use an EXTREME OUTLIER as a base for an argument for so long.

Edited January 19, 2021 by 45catfan

[Fox007]

In a deep draft for OL this is really good news honestly. We also have a HC and GM that can actually hit later round picks so more chances are welcomed. Take a shot at the later round OL in addition to the earlier ones we may get for that extra depth/competition. 

[AU-panther]

45 minutes ago, Pazhoosier89 said:

Seattle is in the upper half of the league as far as comp picks historically so Fitt comes from an organization that takes these in consideration. Panthers are in the bottom half of comp picks received.

Sea: 30 comp picks total 

Panthers: 16 comp picks total

 

https://overthecap.com/compensatory-pick-history/

So as the a general rule the teams that seem to value comp pics are some of the better franchises.

[top dawg]

39 minutes ago, stbugs said:

They aren’t just “nice” for a team that’s 17-31 the last three years and had a chance to get 4 good to decent ones, it shouldn’t just be considered nice. We have so many spots to improve including a huge amount of depth needed, 4 extra picks could have been huge. We didn’t spend on FAs like we were rebuilding and we should have.

Meh. If you have immediate needs, you have to consider the best way to fulfill them. I'm not going to get into a cycle of literally second guessing every decision that's made! Once we get some stability, then I may give it more credence. But still, in general, it is one more thing to be considered in need-based calculations. I don't know what else to tell you.

[MHS831]

To me, this is great news --- cap is tight, and we have many needs.