perfect video games

[Cat]

Halo

Goldeneye

Wolfenstein

COD4

[Cat]

Halo

Goldeneye

Wolfenstein

COD4

[Mesmer]

Zelda Ocarina of Time is by far the best game ever, on any system, period. I got a ROM for my PC, and have played through it twice since doing so. And what strikes me now, is that even going head-to-head against current games with all their detailed graphics, and physics engines, and destructible environments, and open game play, I still enjoy playing Zelda. It was way, way ahead of it's time. The gameplay was inventive, the graphics are AMAZING for a 64-bit game, and have held up remarkably well. It was an adventure game, a puzzle game, a shooter, a sandbox, and an RPG, all rolled into one package. It was a pivitol moment in gaming matched perhaps by the motion capture technology that arrived with the Wii. I think my kids will play Zelda some day and be impressed by it.

Ocarina of Time was a great game, nearly perfect, for it's time. However, it doesn't really hold up today. It's vastly overrated, IMO.

Perfect games? There has never been such a game..

Every game has flaws to it, but that's really no indication to how much you will enjoy the game.

Mass Effect's problems have been stated, but honestly, it's one of my favorites of all time. Fallout 3 is a clunky piece of sh*t mess of a game, but I absolutely love it to death. (Thank you VATS)

I've played wayyyy too many games to have a BEST GAMES EVAR list. It would be too long and impossible to mention everyone I've thoroughly enjoyed.

A couple of points though..

Halo is possibly the most overrated game/series of all time. If you enjoy it, and you think it's the best game ever, I can understand that. Unfortunately, I wasn't 12 when XBox came out. Halo just rehashed all the basic FPS elements that the PC had been doing for the past 10+ years.

Final Fantasy 7 is up there too. Terribly boring story with the same basic RPG elements that we've been seeing since NES. There's a reason why you don't hear about any more legendary JRPG's coming out anymore... because they're the same as they were when FFVII came out, and then they were they same as they were when the NES came out. There's not a more tired type of game, and there never will be one more tired than the JRPG.

[Fiz]

There's a reason why you don't hear about any more legendary JRPG's coming out anymore...

ff and star ocean 4 just off the top of my head.

because they're the same as they were when FFVII came out, and then they were they same as they were when the NES came out.

lol

There's not a more tired type of game, and there never will be one more tired than the JRPG.

world war 2 fps and it's not even close

[Fiz]

the jrpg genre as a whole was never massively popular. the only titles that broke through were ff and maybe xenosaga. most people have never even heard of something like star ocean. there's literally thousands of titles in japan.

[SmootsDaddy89]

I like star ocean.

[jdl]

perfect games, not the most broken, unbalanced game of all time

also i love people who are obsessed with MGS as political commentary and insist it's one of the most brilliant thing ever concocted.

"well, you see, the man who psychically controls bees is actually a commentary on hurf smurf durfafurd"

that was the best football game ever. The giants D, SF offense, bo jackson...

[Mesmer]

Oh they're still coming out.. but they're not any good. You said yourself that FFX was bad, and FFXII was just a really awful JRPG version of Star Wars... but at least it made strides with the combat system.

World War 2 FPS is definitely something that's so abundant that I'm basically numb to it now... so point taken there.

The genre of JRPG is dying because they have done nothing to push the genre along into the future. It's been the same crap rehashed over and over again. Same exact characters with different names. Same story with a different bad guy. Same combat system.

There's been a few that I found interesting, but for the most part, the genre is really going nowhere. Everyone seemed to think that Blue Dragon would be some kind of new greatness.. but it was awful for the reasons mentioned. Lost Odyssey? Last Remnant? Infinite Undiscovery? Even the new Star Ocean was mediocre at best.

When japanese developers come out and say that they need to take a hint from western developers.... it's pretty telling. Atlus tried with Demon's Souls, and I haven't played that yet. But, it's a lot more interesting than anything else that's come out in years.

[Fiz]

Oh they're still coming out.. but they're not any good. You said yourself that FFX was bad, and FFXII was just a really awful JRPG version of Star Wars... but at least it made strides with the combat system.

yeah ffx. that's not an indictment of the entire genre.

The genre of JRPG is dying because they have done nothing to push the genre along into the future. It's been the same crap rehashed over and over again. Same exact characters with different names. Same story with a different bad guy. Same combat system.

those are recurring thematic elements unique to japanese culture and history, like rebellion against patriarchal authority, hyper sexualization of teens, post ww2 nihilism, etc. much like every single american shooter is a gruff loner marine, and every fantasy is a character with a mysterious past thrown into a confusing situation.

i mean if we're going to condemn video games for having redundant themes than guess what the only good game ever was peggle

[The Faceless]

FF6 and 7

Zelda a Link to the Past and Ocarina of Time

Xenogears

Xenosaga EP.1 and 3. Ep.2 was broken as hell

Goldeneye

Doom

Megaman 2 and 3

Resident Evil 2

KOTOR

[Mesmer]

You're acting like I'm ok with completely terrible character design, so long as it's western.

False.

It's ok for there to be recurring themes in games that come from deep rooted things in a place's culture. What's not ok is when every game has the same characters with different names.

Would you be ok if every show on television had the same plot, characters, and jokes, but the characters just had different names and the titles were different?

If you enjoy the games, that's fine. I'm just saying that JRPG's peaked in the PS1 days and never went anywhere after that.

[chbright]

deus ex ftw. i have played that all the way through 5 or 6 times. its sad they had to fug the sequal up so bad.

another to the list system shock.

Star Wars: Dark Forces, another classic.

half life has to be another one.

grand prix legends by papyrus.

no splinter cell mentioned?

[Raskle]

Would you be ok if every show on television had the same plot, characters, and jokes, but the characters just had different names and the titles were different?

Imo, they are. Television sucks... pure and simple. It hasn't been good in forever. Movies are just the same rehashed crap they spew out every year. Hell, even the same actors are doing the same roles they did on that other "date comedy" they did three years ago is normal now. Nothing truly original, nothing truly cutting edge (well, non-indie I should say). It's such a rare find when something like that does come along (Idiocracy, Smoking Aces, etc.) that it amazes me see it panned by the masses, where it whithers and dies due to the non-support financially by the drones. Can't blame Hollywood on this one either. They put out movies that your average American IQ of 90 will go see.

I guess my point here is, JRPGs won't change as long as people keep buying them. Simple economics and anthropology, I know, but sad nonetheless.

[Britneck]

Galaga

Mario 3

Mario Cart SNES

NBA Jam's (LJ and Alonzo were unstoppable)

Golden Eye

GTA Vice City

Tomb Raider 1 and 2

Call of Duty 2,3,4, and the new one.