Panthers will work with Trask, Mond and Newman

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, Aussie Tank said:

I wish Trask could find some more zip on his passes the brain is there. 

And there are some pretty special QBs with a good brain and average arm.

Drew Brees, for example.  Matt Ryan too.  2 teams in the NFC South have QBs with "Arm Strength" as their biggest weakness, and they have had really good careers.  Phillip Rivers comes to mind as well.

So it can be a deal breaker, but if you are smart, you can anticipate and throw a bit sooner.  The ball is easier to catch as well.

So good point--the brain and arm strength are very connected.

[Ja Rhule]

4 hours ago, AceBoogie said:

Define solid 

Like a solid turd

[Aussie Tank]

40 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

And there are some pretty special QBs with a good brain and average arm.

Drew Brees, for example.  Matt Ryan too.  2 teams in the NFC South have QBs with "Arm Strength" as their biggest weakness, and they have had really good careers.  Phillip Rivers comes to mind as well.

So it can be a deal breaker, but if you are smart, you can anticipate and throw a bit sooner.  The ball is easier to catch as well.

So good point--the brain and arm strength are very connected.

I believe our coaching staff will fall in love with him and I feel as soon as Trask steps on the field he’s an upgrade on Teddy 

[BrianS]

2 hours ago, MHS831 said:

About these players:  They have the tools.

• 1. Trask flashed, and had a bad game when half his team opted out.  WRs were dropping passes and he had no chemistry.  How much was Trask getting revealed and how much was Trask not being given a fair platform?  They need to find out.
• 2. Newman has some mechanical issues but physically, he can do the job.   He is not great under pressure, and he has some issues with deep balls.  He is best when the run game is clicking.  He forces passes to some WRs (Surratt) even when covered.  He would be developmental, and I do not know how much of this was due to the Wake limitations/system.  Many thought he would prosper at UGA.   I personally think he would not have started.  Accuracy and consistency a concern but he is a good runner/athlete.
• 3. Mond is very similar to Newman, but a bit smaller.  Same problems with consistency.  Good dual threat QB. 

Remember, this staff thinks they can win with the merchandise left over after the yard sale--it was what made Rhule famous.  This new eye for bottom-feeding talent is also part of this plan.  Does than mean we will not go after a first round QB? No, but it means that we might not do what we think.

While many of you have already written off Trask, I think he could be a hidden gem.  With some coaching, work on his mechanics, film study x 10, I think he could be a value in the second.

Trask has possibly the best lower body mechanics of any QB in this draft not named Trevor Lawrence.  Watch how he gets to his depth and sets his feet.

Pretty important to keep in mind that despite the fact that a number of Florida players opted out, Trask kept his team in the game with the national champions.  No other team this year was as close to beating Bama as the Gators.  100% sure that one *SURE* TD was dropped by a Florida receiver.  Hit him in stride, in the hands and the dude dropped it.  Might be a very different outlook if Florida won that game.

I'm absolutely not sure Trask is better than Lance or Fields.  I'm equally unsure whether he's worse.  The guy might be an actual franchise QB.  I would be very surprised if he gets past the Patriots at 15.  I would be absolutely sick if coach Hoodie ends up with him there.

[Varking]

2 hours ago, OldhamA said:

I don't follow Wake Forest very closely, but I recall Sam Hatman being pretty decent this year.

Did he run Newman off?

Not at all. Hartman would have been sitting the bench this year if Newman stayed at Wake. I liked Hartman from QB1 on Netflix but Newman was more talented. 

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, Aussie Tank said:

I believe our coaching staff will fall in love with him and I feel as soon as Trask steps on the field he’s an upgrade on Teddy 

I do too.  Trask's bowl game was horribly unfair to him, but it exposed flaws.  I think you are right, however,  I think they are doing their due diligence, but if they like a player, they will not trade up.  Of course, if they do not like any--it could necessitate a trade up.  In other words, they could find a player they like or this becomes a process of elimination that limits options.

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, BrianS said:

Trask has possibly the best lower body mechanics of any QB in this draft not named Trevor Lawrence.  Watch how he gets to his depth and sets his feet.

Pretty important to keep in mind that despite the fact that a number of Florida players opted out, Trask kept his team in the game with the national champions.  No other team this year was as close to beating Bama as the Gators.  100% sure that one *SURE* TD was dropped by a Florida receiver.  Hit him in stride, in the hands and the dude dropped it.  Might be a very different outlook if Florida won that game.

I'm absolutely not sure Trask is better than Lance or Fields.  I'm equally unsure whether he's worse.  The guy might be an actual franchise QB.  I would be very surprised if he gets past the Patriots at 15.  I would be absolutely sick if coach Hoodie ends up with him there.

If there are 5 or 6 QBs we would take--then moving up will not happen.  This is a good post.

[MHS831]

59 minutes ago, Varking said:

Not at all. Hartman would have been sitting the bench this year if Newman stayed at Wake. I liked Hartman from QB1 on Netflix but Newman was more talented. 

I saw him penciled in as the starter at UGa and was an early first round QB in some mocks/Big Boards.

[Davidson Deac II]

5 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Newman should be a UFA.  No effing way he deserves a top 3-4 draft pick

Deserves has nothing to do with it.  If a team thinks he is worth it, he will be picked. 

[Davidson Deac II]

4 hours ago, OldhamA said:

I don't follow Wake Forest very closely, but I recall Sam Hatman being pretty decent this year.

Did he run Newman off?

nah, Wake ran an offense similar to what Shula ran with Cam.  Lots of read option.   Newman wanted to play in a more pro style offense and he figured he would get more exposure at Georgia.  The Covid happened.

Hartman was ok, but Newman was the starter until he left.  

[rippadonn]

5 hours ago, Varking said:

I was just joking. He’s going to be a guy that doesn’t get a shot to start unless the starter on his team gets hurt. Because he won’t be a first or second round guy, and his lack of mobility and arm strength, he will have to work harder than anyone else to get a shot. 

Yeah, lack of arm strength really shows when you rack up more yards than EVERYBODY.

I'd worry more about the rest of the QB class not beating Trask out in yards or touchdowns.

Trask didn't have better players than Lawrence or Fields to work with and still put up great #'s.

What? Is it the Gators brilliant OC? He's good, not great. Kyle wasn't a one year wonder. Dude earned every minute he played. Sorry he didn't earn your respect.

He's got my respect.

[Varking]

10 hours ago, rippadonn said:

Yeah, lack of arm strength really shows when you rack up more yards than EVERYBODY.

I'd worry more about the rest of the QB class not beating Trask out in yards or touchdowns.

Trask didn't have better players than Lawrence or Fields to work with and still put up great #'s.

What? Is it the Gators brilliant OC? He's good, not great. Kyle wasn't a one year wonder. Dude earned every minute he played. Sorry he didn't earn your respect.

He's got my respect.

Stop saying stupid things like Kyle Trask didn’t earn my respect. I’m a lifelong Gator fan born in Jacksonville. I watch every snap of every Gator game. I’ve repeatedly said he’s been our best thrower of the football since Leak before The Golden Calf of Bristol. 
 

Lack of arm strength shows up at the pro level more than the college level. 
 

As far as the point about Trask not having as good of weapons to work with as the other big quarterbacks that’s a big lie and shows you aren’t actually watching the games and the most important thing to you is a box score. Tony, Grimes and Pitts were probably the best 1,2,TE combo in all of college football. Fields had Olave. Tony and Pitts are likely going to be drafted ahead of him. Lawrence had Rodgers. Pitts, Olave and Grimes might get drafted in front of him. 
 

Grimes, Tony and Pitts were all amazing at contested catches and 50/50 balls. I still think Pitts is a better offensive weapon than Smith from Bama. And I think Pitts is going to have a much better career than Smith in the pros. They were both cheat code game breakers for college football. Mac Jones and Kyle Trask look better than they likely are due to the receiving talent around them. 
 

I don’t mind debating prospects all day and we can break down plays and talk about ball placement on any video you want to watch but don’t try to tell me how I feel about players. 

 

 

[mickeye76]

17 hours ago, Varking said:

I think Newman might have some mid round potential. 

I agree.  Honestly if he had not opted out and played a year in the SEC his stock could have soared. 

[ncfan]

This group excites me as much as Ryan Finley, Will Grier, and Jarrett Stidham in 2019