Panthers more likely to trade down now?

[NAS]

1 hour ago, Zod said:

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It seems Fitterer is a fan of trading down and accumulating pics. 10 draft choices a year. 

 

Pretty much the anti-Hurney. 

I'm ok with this philosophy for any other year except when it's time to draft a franchise QB.  If anything, we may need to trade up this year.  

[Waldo]

8 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Wilson has been covering up all those misses and there are a few. They rarely kept their 1st, again always trusted their board. If your board shows there no difference form 25-45 and some team comes a calling(carolina), why not add picks? I know Dave had a saying, "rather have one dollar than 3 dimes". Depends on the draft class strengths, current team, future, etc. Adding late picks is like buying more lotto tickets, or placing more bets on the Roulette wheel. 

Since you brought it up, along with having a weird non-1st rounders drafting, they also had a period of taking DTs/DLmen and turning them into OLmen. Wilson had to run for his life for about 4 years, awful to take a player with no exp and make him learn a totally new spot. But they did, if the players had a profile, like they wanted explosion off the ball. DLmen are more athletic and more explosion in general, so they tried and tried and tried. I believe Tom Cable was the OL coach and he was behind some of that.  Then they stole Brown form the texans and put OLmen on the OL and got better. They spent some early picks on OLmen that are Little clones. 

I'm just not impressed with what their boards yielded. That much trading back for that much yield? Not positive. Trading back last year would have made sense, not this year unless none of the QBs work out for us, which is a depressing and demoralizing thought but very possible. 

[NAS]

22 minutes ago, Waldo said:

I'm just not impressed with what their boards yielded. That much trading back for that much yield? Not positive. Trading back last year would have made sense, not this year unless none of the QBs work out for us, which is a depressing and demoralizing thought but very possible. 

Same with Patriots.

[stirs]

Wonder what the numbers say when looking at 10 draft picks per draft vs 6 or 7.  Especially if within the first 3 rounds.  Drafts are not a total crap shoot, but some very good teams have missed wildly.  If 40% are with you 3 years later, then it might be better to have 10 shots rather than 7

[stbugs]

3 hours ago, Basbear said:

I believe Seattle has/had the highest number of undrafted free agents for many years. I think at one point they had like 22 UDFAs on the roster in season. Depending on the draft they view no diffenerce between late 5th and UDFAs. They also give "REAL" competition to players, money and draft place didnt matter. Only Pats and Seattle said and followed though with this, many others lie about this. Agents knew this and they preferred UDFAs signing with them. 

That would be nice. Gettleman was good with UDFAs (Norwell and Philly come to mind). Marty was awful. I think it was the 2019 draft where he decided to go hog wild with the AAFL or whatever it was called and we only had a couple UDFAs. None of those guys came close to working and we basically skipped UDFAs.

[jbland]

4 hours ago, Zod said:

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It seems Fitterer is a fan of trading down and accumulating pics. 10 draft choices a year. 

 

Pretty much the anti-Hurney. 

How do I say this with tact... oh yeah, fug hurney. 

[Basbear]

2 hours ago, Waldo said:

I'm just not impressed with what their boards yielded. That much trading back for that much yield? Not positive. Trading back last year would have made sense, not this year unless none of the QBs work out for us, which is a depressing and demoralizing thought but very possible. 

Im not either, just its totally different drafting late in every round than early. Its the "gift" of being successful. Again they must have believed there was no difference in a group of players in 30-50ish mark. Teams value that 5th year option, Hawks took advantage of that.  Heres a list of players where he was the director of drafting, its better than recent hauls- https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/gallery/panthers-gm-scott-fitterer-draft-history-seahawks/

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Ive heard many times, once you reach the 100s, everyone board is different. Pats and Hawks always valued differently than the other 30 teams.... Again totally different game drafting 30th in every round, they are adding picks to increase "hits" chances. One thing is must is focusing on want other teams over looked. Example- Centers, OGs, Safety and LBs seem to slide on draft day. Great thing when drafting late, most times it means you already got a legit QB...so other positions slide your way too. 

[Waldo]

10 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Im not either, just its totally different drafting late in every round than early. Its the "gift" of being successful. Again they must have believed there was no difference in a group of players in 30-50ish mark. Teams value that 5th year option, Hawks took advantage of that.  Heres a list of players where he was the director of drafting, its better than recent hauls- https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/gallery/panthers-gm-scott-fitterer-draft-history-seahawks/

Drafts

 

Ive heard many times, once you reach the 100s, everyone board is different. Pats and Hawks always valued differently than the other 30 teams.... Again totally different game drafting 30th in every round, they are adding picks to increase "hits" chances. One thing is must is focusing on want other teams over looked. Example- Centers, OGs, Safety and LBs seem to slide on draft day. Great thing when drafting late, most times it means you already got a legit QB...so other positions slide your way too. 

Recently is a good point but thats also the time when he took a bigger roll with the process. I was really hoping we wouldn't emulate the Pats or Seattle. They were saved by great coaching and great QB play, we saw what happens when the Pats lost their QB in that equation.

[Basbear]

15 minutes ago, stbugs said:

That would be nice. Gettleman was good with UDFAs (Norwell and Philly come to mind). Marty was awful. I think it was the 2019 draft where he decided to go hog wild with the AAFL or whatever it was called and we only had a couple UDFAs. None of those guys came close to working and we basically skipped UDFAs.

I always said if Herniay and Gettleman each had a fresh team(along with a few years of building); players 1-8 advantage Herniay. Players 9-30 slight advantage Gettleman. Players 31-69 land slide advantage Gettleman.

Sad part is, as a unit they would near unstoppable. Dave sets the firm price and Marty talks with agent/players. Marty picks 1st rounders, dave/scouts focus on the rest. Sorta like what SF does with Lynch and Peters. Marty would handle the press and Dave watches tape. If they trusted and let the other focus on their strengths, wouldnt be nearly any weakness. The team would have both talent AND depth. Players would be happy and enjoy the panther ways, no drama. 

[Basbear]

10 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Recently is a good point but thats also the time when he took a bigger roll with the process. I was really hoping we wouldn't emulate the Pats or Seattle. They were saved by great coaching and great QB play, we saw what happens when the Pats lost their QB in that equation.

Hey now Bill went 10-6 without Brady one year and with a broken 5 TD throwing Cam, he when 7-9.... some would say that is a miracle. Plus AFC>>>>>> poo NFC

Great QBs covers soooooo much its silly, green bay is another example of this. Its my theory for Bill Polian success, he found one player to cover for his 100s of mistakes. 

[Waldo]

1 minute ago, Basbear said:

Hey now Bill went 10-6 without Brady one year and with a broken 5 TD throwing Cam, he when 7-9.... some would say that is a miracle. Plus AFC>>>>>> poo NFC

Great QBs covers soooooo much its silly, green bay is another example of this. Its my theory for Bill Polian success, he found one player to cover for his 100s of mistakes. 

BB is an amazing coach, not trying to poop on his skills at coaching, just drafting. There is a reason he traded backup QBs for 1st multiple times. Thats so impressive, Madden-esk.

[Basbear]

Just now, Waldo said:

BB is an amazing coach, not trying to poop on his skills at coaching, just drafting. There is a reason he traded backup QBs for 1st multiple times. Thats so impressive, Madden-esk.

His drafting is herniay-ish without the first round stud. Still finds some UDFAs gem to fill the roster, but no question draft classes are among the poorest in the league. Bill needs to hire a new GM for sure..

[Waldo]

2 minutes ago, Basbear said:

His drafting is herniay-ish without the first round stud. Still finds some UDFAs gem to fill the roster, but no question draft classes are among the poorest in the league. Bill needs to hire a new GM for sure..

He might luck in with his Whitehead gone to Huston. His tree is pretty picked over. I agree, he should hire and do it from outside. Or not because it's the Pats

[Shocker]

Didn’t Rhule want to trade down last draft?  Definitely a possibility now.