Carolina Panthers Salary Cap Space vs Record - A Visual

[chknwing]

22 hours ago, Zod said:

Here is a quick look at every teams estimated 2021 salary cap space against their 2020 record

Top right= good record, good cap position

Top left= good record, bad cap position

Bottom right= bad record, good cap position

Bottom left= disaster

 

 

So the Panthers are on the brink of disaster. 

 

nice. 

 

(source)

the most depressing thing I have seen all year.  thx for that.

[LinvilleGorge]

9 minutes ago, TreadmillTrackstar said:

I realize I'm going to get poo'd on even by my own 11 year old kid but had we not give CMC the big contract and kept from giving Teddy the contract wouldn't we be MUCH better off? 

I really like CMC as a player and feel like he is a great teammate and does it all but talented running backs seem like such a dime a dozen. It almist feels like to me we could have gotten it done with a committee group at RB for much cheaper. And I'm not saying that just because of CMC's very rare injury ridden year. How many RB's ever give their worth once they sign the huge inflated contract? I know we can't develop other great players for other teams and lose them all to feed agency but I personally have never been huge on liking the idea of paying RB's well especially ones that have been driven into the ground by previous coaching regimes. I like CMC but just throwing out thoughts is all.

Teddy is another story all together. I realize he isn't the top paid guy in the league but my God for 20 million I just had such higher expectations than 15 or so td passes that he had. Hindsight is great I know and at the beginning I was really excited about Teddy but his shine and luster wore off so quick when I realized yeah he was good in the short passing game and much better than Cam was in that one area but he just seems to lack a killer instinct that Can had and even some other basic backups have had in the past who weren't great but we're didn't seem to play too scared to make an error. Hell, PJ Walker's stats look pretty piss poor this season but even he didn't play sacred and looked like he had an intense desire to win and that killer instinct I notice and all for next to nothing as far as pay goes.

So many fans can only see the results. They can't separate mediocre individual play from good results or good individual play from poor results. Anyone who understands what they're watching knew what we were getting in Teddy. The concerning thing is that evidently our coaches didn't.

[Snake]

I really think Joe Brady needs to go to the falcons. 

[Snake]

23 hours ago, Zod said:

Here is a quick look at every teams estimated 2021 salary cap space against their 2020 record

Top right= good record, good cap position

Top left= good record, bad cap position

Bottom right= bad record, good cap position

Bottom left= disaster

 

 

So the Panthers are on the brink of disaster. 

 

nice. 

 

(source)

When Hurney is in charge you always are. Thank god we will get better people soon. 

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, Snake said:

I really think Joe Brady needs to go to the falcons. 

I have asked before and nobody can answer, but how does it work in draft prep if Brady goes to the panthers?  I mean is he currently involved with planning knowing he may go to a div rival picking ahead of us.  Seems a bit fuged up

[Snake]

19 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I have asked before and nobody can answer, but how does it work in draft prep if Brady goes to the panthers?  I mean is he currently involved with planning knowing he may go to a div rival picking ahead of us.  Seems a bit fuged up

It happens more than you think. It won Jon Gruden a Super Bowl. 

[MHS831]

On 1/11/2021 at 9:42 AM, LinvilleGorge said:

LOL @ the Saints and Falcons.

I hate to keep harping on it, but our situation would look a helluva lot different without that Teddy contract. What a colossal mistake that was.

Look at the Saints--Is Ireland of that mindset?

[LinvilleGorge]

16 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Look at the Saints--Is Ireland of that mindset?

Honestly, I have no clue.

[Icege]

22 hours ago, CarolinaNCSU said:

Agree with a lot of your post, but I'm not so sure we cut Paradis.  KK and Weatherly are both gone for sure. 

HIGHLY against kicking the can down the road on CMC and Shaq.  Much prefer for Shaq to get the KK treatment when his contract is viable to do so, and the idea of restructuring a RB contract and paying CMC possibly a couple of years after he's "done" is a quick way to find ourselves back in cap trouble. 

 

Sucks that so many of our FA decisions could come down to our plan in the draft.  If we want to trade up, you can forget about cutting Paradis for instance.  If we sit at 8, keep our picks, draft OL...could maybe cut him then.  Also could be a VERY interesting second wave of FA as some teams will cut decent players simply to get under the cap.  I know in the past we've hated on some of the bargain bins signings we've endured, but this year you may be able to find decent players on the cheap in a short deal as they hope the cap recovers to cash in again. 

Rather than adding on dead money years as Hurney traditionally did, how would you feel about converting salary to signing bonuses that get spread out over the remainder of their deals?

Convert CMC's $8M salary for 2021 into a signing bonus that adds $2M in possible dead cap for the remaining 4yrs. The team would still be able to save $10M in each of the final 3 years of his deal should they cut him.

Shaq's deal puts him in a position where he can be cut now, or he can restructure. He could also get $6M in salary converted into a signing bonus and the team could still save $10M by cutting him at any point during the next 3 seasons.

Those two moves along with the aforementioned ones give the team nearly $55M in available cap space. If Anderson gets extended, they could do the same with him.

$60M should make it much, much easier to retain Moton, Samuel, and build out a solid OL imo.

Totally agree on Paradis btw. I really, really want to draft a center. Might be one of the better draft classes for the position in recent memory.

[Panthers8969]

On 1/11/2021 at 9:41 AM, KSpan said:

When was the last time it really felt like this team wasn't on the brink of salary disaster? Honest question, as I'm sure there was one but it feels like cap is always a major concern.

Just last season, then we signed a bunch of random guys like teddy, weatherly, anderson, etc and poof! The money was gone

[stbugs]

2 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Look at the Saints--Is Ireland of that mindset?

No. Look at the Saints cap situation. Top 5 cap hits are their own guys (I’m including Brees since they developed him) plus Cook. So basically 4 of 5 drafted/traded for while young.

Our top 5 guys are CMC and 4 guys who aren’t likely to be on the team after 2020/2021. Only Anderson is a maybe extension.

You can see that NO has 4 of 5 guys that have been core players/stars for them and 4 of our 5 are likely not even part of our future. That’s Marty ball and why we keep wondering why we don’t have space and the Saints can sign Davis, Sanders and Jenkins. We used $5M more cap this year to have Short on IR than they used on those 3 combined. 

[stbugs]

1 hour ago, Icege said:

Rather than adding on dead money years as Hurney traditionally did, how would you feel about converting salary to signing bonuses that get spread out over the remainder of their deals?

Convert CMC's $8M salary for 2021 into a signing bonus that adds $2M in possible dead cap for the remaining 4yrs. The team would still be able to save $10M in each of the final 3 years of his deal should they cut him.

Shaq's deal puts him in a position where he can be cut now, or he can restructure. He could also get $6M in salary converted into a signing bonus and the team could still save $10M by cutting him at any point during the next 3 seasons.

Those two moves along with the aforementioned ones give the team nearly $55M in available cap space. If Anderson gets extended, they could do the same with him.

$60M should make it much, much easier to retain Moton, Samuel, and build out a solid OL imo.

Totally agree on Paradis btw. I really, really want to draft a center. Might be one of the better draft classes for the position in recent memory.

No. Let’s not screw up future cap. We aren’t contending yet. Do that when you are trying to add Khalil Mack and win a SB.

[Icege]

4 hours ago, stbugs said:

No. Let’s not screw up future cap. We aren’t contending yet. Do that when you are trying to add Khalil Mack and win a SB.

Nothing gets increased with the exception of their dead cap hit should they be cut, and even then it only increases it by $2M (and the team still frees up $10M for the season they are cut as I also showed).

How does that screw up the future cap (especially when the committed cap numbers are $126M (2022) and $50M (2023 + 2024))? If the cap stays at $175M, the team is still $50M under while only having $50M committed to the entire roster in 2023 + 2024. That $50M available in 2022 also becomes $71M if Teddy is released (plus however much the cap is raised over $175M).

I'm not understanding the pearl clutching.