Carolina Panthers Salary Cap Space vs Record - A Visual

[Rocky Davis]

Ballard deserves a lot of credit in Indy for where they find themselves with Dodds being right there too.

Lots of good FA signings of hard working, team first guys.  Also, they didn't overpay Rivers for this past season.

I still think if we are able to get a QB we want in the draft we try to move Teddy even if we have to retain some salary or maybe send a pick somewhere. 

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, nctarheelreincarnated said:

Cool story. I would rather get a QB in the top 10, than make the Playoffs and get murdered, but to each their own. Especially since Ben is old as poo and now sucks. 

  But, what if you don’t? Another year of Teddy and hope to suck again? Sure. I mistakenly celebrated playoff wins when I should have been hoping for the next big thing. That’s my bad...... 

  Be real good and I’ll tell you what it’s like to watch your team win a SB. 6 times. 
 

 

[nctarheelreincarnated]

13 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  But, what if you don’t? Another year of Teddy and hope to suck again? Sure. I mistakenly celebrated playoff wins when I should have been hoping for the next big thing. That’s my bad...... 

  Be real good and I’ll tell you what it’s like to watch your team win a SB. 6 times. 
 

 

I didn't say anything about Playoff wins did I? Nope. Sure didn't. Move the goalpost all you want, but getting to the Playoffs and getting murdered is just as bad as not making it. You know how many Playoff wins the Panthers got this year? The same as the Steelers. Keep moving the goalpost and talking about other poo. That's what people do when they know the other person is right. 

[GoobyPls]

1 hour ago, AU-panther said:

wrong, its an excuse for bad front offices who can't find cheap talent

A lot of those years that the Saints were winning they were doing it with reduced cap because of all of their dead money.  

They have had some really good draft classes recently which has enabled them to continue to win while being in "cap hell"

Fans don't want to believe, or don't understand, but most teams spend roughly the same amount over time, there are actually league rules for this.  Fans notice when a rival adds a FA but they forget about the vet the team cuts to create space.

 

Cheap talent is what Gettleman was doing dumpster diving, the saints on the other hand were bringing in big name FA and have been doing so for quite a while. Just for comparison sakes Robby Anderson was the highest paid WR free agent we have signed in over a decade and he only got 2 years 20 mill.

[Toomers]

4 minutes ago, nctarheelreincarnated said:

I didn't say anything about Playoff wins did I? Nope. Sure didn't. Move the goalpost all you want, but getting to the Playoffs and getting murdered is just as bad as not making it. You know how many Playoff wins the Panthers got this year? The same as the Steelers. Keep moving the goalpost and talking about other poo. That's what people do when they know the other person is right. 

No. You talked crap about a.salary cap hit that will be cut in almost half with one restructuring. Like every year. Where as, if you get your wish and get a young QB who starts next year, the Panthers will have paid 42M to a backup QB for one year of subpar play. Now that’s LOL.  And I’ll take any playoff season over the standard below average Panther season. You can put any goalpost you want if you want to compare Panthers-Steelers. It will all turn out the same. 

[nctarheelreincarnated]

4 minutes ago, Toomers said:

No. You talked crap about a.salary cap hit that will be cut in almost half with one restructuring. Like every year. Where as, if you get your wish and get a young QB who starts next year, the Panthers will have paid 42M to a backup QB for one year of subpar play. Now that’s LOL.  And I’ll take any playoff season over the standard below average Panther season. You can put any goalpost you want if you want to compare Panthers-Steelers. It will all turn out the same. 

I would rather sit the QB for a year if we're going to talk about QB play, let him learn the offense and start from day 1 his second year. If we're going to continue to discuss that. And yeah, there ya go again changing the subject to some poo we weren't talking about. Started out talking about salary cap stuff which was the major point, and then you move it again. Stay on topic, please. Stop moving the goalpost. Thanks. 

 

[AU-panther]

2 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

Cheap talent is what Gettleman was doing dumpster diving, the saints on the other hand were bringing in big name FA and have been doing so for quite a while. Just for comparison sakes Robby Anderson was the highest paid WR free agent we have signed in over a decade and he only got 2 years 20 mill.

Resigning your own guys to big contracts counts the same as bringing in free agents from other teams.

Either way this idea that the Saints have some secret way to spend more than every other team is a myth, that keeps getting perpetuated by people who too stupid or lazy to understand how the cap works.

Over that decade, us, along with most of the teams in the league have spent close to the same as the Saints.

 

 

[stbugs]

7 hours ago, Growl said:

The Kalil contract is finally gone

JFC, one of the biggest red herrings ever in existence in this forum.

Here’s how much we spent total on Kalil:

$24M

Our record with Matt Kalil: 18-14

Here’s how much we spent in the 2020 off-season on Teddy, Okung, Short, Weatherly, Apple and Roberts assuming all are gone before 2021 except Teddy after 2021:

$81.5M

Our record without Matt: 10-22

Also, just to make sure we don’t forget Marty splurging in 2018/2019, here’s we spent (mainly in 2019) on Poe, Searcy, Smith, Gano, McCoy and Irvin:

$57M

Got us the 31st rank D and 5-11.

Not trying to say Kalil was good or that it was a good contract but we’ve spent 5-6 times as much to get 5-11 back to back seasons and have dumped these guys after 1-2 years. It’s time to stop acting like Kalil’s deal actually hurt our cap at all. I think the Marty train spending $138M trying to win the last two years is why we can’t easily extend Moton, Samuel, Anderson and Moore for 3-4 years and be right where we are now.

 

[stbugs]

1 hour ago, AU-panther said:

Resigning your own guys to big contracts counts the same as bringing in free agents from other teams.

Either way this idea that the Saints have some secret way to spend more than every other team is a myth, that keeps getting perpetuated by people who too stupid or lazy to understand how the cap works.

Over that decade, us, along with most of the teams in the league have spent close to the same as the Saints.

 

 

Yep. See my post above. The Saints, unlike us, have focused on extending their stars and picking up FAs on the cheap (Davis, Jenkins). We on the other hand are having to worry about which WRs we keep because we went hog wild the past couple of years on injured and older and mediocre talents.

[GoobyPls]

10 hours ago, AU-panther said:

Resigning your own guys to big contracts counts the same as bringing in free agents from other teams.

Either way this idea that the Saints have some secret way to spend more than every other team is a myth, that keeps getting perpetuated by people who too stupid or lazy to understand how the cap works.

Over that decade, us, along with most of the teams in the league have spent close to the same as the Saints.

 

 

Resigning your own free agents is a given, signing big names is what the panthers have refused to do and what has cost them in the past.

Wrong the panthers have not spend close to the saints on real free agents. Richardson was notoriously frugal and everyone knows it. The salary cap can be manipulated by smart aggressive from offices which the panthers never had.

 

This article goes into detail, the panthers did the exact opposite 

https://sportdfw.com/2019/06/10/salary-cap-is-fake-news-the-dallas-cowboys-can-re-sign-everyone/

 

[OldhamA]

22 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

LOL @ the Saints and Falcons.

I hate to keep harping on it, but our situation would look a helluva lot different without that Teddy contract. What a colossal mistake that was.

And we'd be a hell of a lot worse without Bridgewater as the QB.

He's a mediocre baseline to be improved on - but good god he's light years better than Walker, Allen and Grier. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, OldhamA said:

And we'd be a hell of a lot worse without Bridgewater as the QB.

He's a mediocre baseline to be improved on - but good god he's light years better than Walker, Allen and Grier. 

When you're 5-11, "worse" is just academic. You're either good enough to compete for a playoff berth or you're not. We weren't. All Teddy is doing is damaging our cap space while ensuring we can't legitimately compete.

[OldhamA]

22 hours ago, CarolinaNCSU said:

Should've cleaned the books this year, "tanked" our way to 2-3 wins, and we'd be in prime position of the rebuild.

 

Instead, we sign Teddy in a pointless year only to keep striving for mediocrity and are on the disaster line.  Good call, Panthers! 

*Edit - Before the "winning culture" gets stated, Rhule has always sucked in year 1 and then started the winning culture trajectory.  Our 5 wins aren't necessarily a good sign if we continue to be stuck in "missed opportunity" culture. 

One player isn't going to turn us into a winner.

Whether we were picking #1 overall or #32, we have to hit on 3-4 Draft picks a year to rebuild this shambles of a roster (thanks Marty and Ron!). 

Last year was a good start. Interestingly Rhule has said that this offseason is the most important in Panthers history - he knows how quickly he can turn this around if he hits on those 3-4 Draft picks and continues to develop what's already on the roster. 

[OldhamA]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

When you're 5-11, "worse" is just academic. You're either good enough to compete for a playoff berth or you're not. We weren't. All Teddy is doing is damaging our cap space while ensuring we can't legitimately compete.

Each to their own.

I'm not a man of extremes - you're not either a Playoff team or a tanking team.