Updated GM Update

[Mr. Scot]

Unknown if any decision has been made at this point. Even if one were, they don't necessarily have to announce it immediately.

If there's no announcement made tonight, I suspect there won't be until next week. The NFL frowns on teams taking attention away from the playoffs.

[TheSpecialJuan]

Monday it is then!

[MasterAwesome]

40 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Hurney did some good, like I originally posted, but next to the full list that resulted in failure and 2 completely earned firings, it doesn't matter. He sucks, fact. Backed up with his stat of total record and 3 winning seasons over 14 years. I also think you may be forgetting some of the stuff JR did and how closely Hurney worked with JR during those incidents. The list goes on and on. He was a bad GM. I do choose to focus on the negative with Hurney, he earned it. Fug him, I sat through his crap way too long and I truly love the fact he is no longer associated with the Panthers and will not be coming back for a 3rd run of losing.

You know who got Bean in front of cameras in his first press conference that I know of? DG. Also, look at Scotts post. DG, a personnel guy, oversaw his development on that side, then promoted him and saw him move to the Bills. How much of which is irrelevant because Hurney is still and will always be a loser. 

For the record, Beane explicitly credited Hurney when he was hired by the Bills. 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/05/15/buffalo-bills-sean-mcdermott-brandon-beane-nfl-peter-king 

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At the end of our conversation, Beane wanted to be sure he credited the man he felt did the most for him to get to this point—former Carolina GM Marty Hurney. It’s a story lots of new college graduates this spring should hear.

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Marty was there that year, and he hired me full time in ’99. I was a sponge to him and I never wanted to let him down, and the more I was around him, I just grew. Every year he gave me more rope, and more things to do. He taught me the cap. We did CBA stuff. He let me do behind-the-scenes scouting, watching tape, whether it was college or pro or free agents and just be another sounding board with him along the way. I wouldn’t be here without him.

You can easily make the case that Hurney sucked without resorting to revisionism and misinformation.  Years from now, people here will be like "Hey remember that Hurney guy?  Wow...can't believe he didn't draft a single Pro Bowler in the 1st round.  It's crazy that it took him getting arrested for double homicide for him to finally be fired permanently from this organization!".  Then if someone simply replies that those are false claims, people will be like "LOL defending Hurney much?!? THE DUDE SUCKED, GET OVER IT".

[Waldo]

17 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

 

Where did I have any miss information? 

As far as Bean, I was making the case that a smart man doing well in Buffalo worked under 2 different GMs, also learned under DG and was hired under Dave. 

As for the rest. I think its bs and if you want to play pretend I will end with this. 107-133 and 3-15. If you don't think that SUCKS then I think we can just agree to disagree and I will continue to laugh my butt off. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, MasterAwesome said:

For the record, Beane explicitly credited Hurney when he was hired by the Bills. 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/05/15/buffalo-bills-sean-mcdermott-brandon-beane-nfl-peter-king 

You can easily make the case that Hurney sucked without resorting to revisionism and misinformation.

From an article written at the time he got the Bills job, Beane's role under Marty...

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Beane’s training camp internship in the public relations department led to a full-time position in football operations, where Beane’s duties included picking players up at the airport, setting up travel arrangements and anything asked of him.

Former GM Marty Hurney promoted Beane to football operations director in 2008. Four years later, Beane took over as interim GM for the final 10 games after Hurney resigned.

And after...

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The Panthers went 6-4 while Beane held the post. More important than the record, Beane showed a knack for evaluating talent by plucking edge rusher Mario Addison from Washington’s practice squad and signing kicker Graham Gano.

Addison re-signed with the Panthers on a three-year, $22.5 million deal this offseason after leading the team in sacks in 2016. Gano has made 83 percent of his field goals in five seasons in Charlotte, but struggled last year and will compete with rookie Harrison Butker at training camp.

Beane had experience managing the salary cap, but hadn’t done a ton of scouting early in his career. But he started going on the road to scout college games when he was interim GM, a practice he continued after Gettleman was hired (Beane was the only in-house candidate to interview).

And then under Gettleman...

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Beane further honed his scouting chops under Gettleman, whose affinity for film-study is as well known as his love of minivans and bagels.

Gettleman and Beane would watch video of every play from every Panthers game, as well as most of the plays of free agents Carolina was considering. Gettleman says Beane was an eager film critic.

“I spent a lot of time with him watching film and teaching and doing those kind of things. And Brandon’s a sponge. He really listens. He’s very diligent. He works at it,” Gettleman said during a phone interview. “The only way you’re going to improve your evaluation skills is just grind tape. ... It was his willingness to listen and learn that really accelerated his progress in terms of becoming a general manager.”

Beane was promoted to assistant GM in 2015, and his name started popping up in discussions of up-and-coming front office executives.

How Panthers Gettleman helped groom Brandon Beane for the Bills job

Yeah, Marty helped him get his foot in the door, but Gettleman helped him learn how to be the best scout he could. You'll also find Beane is quite complimentary of Gettleman when asked.

[KBRed]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Unknown if any decision has been made at this point. Even if one were, they don't necessarily have to announce it immediately.

If there's no announcement made tonight, I suspect there won't be until next week. The NFL frowns on teams taking attention away from the playoffs.

Unless you’re Jerry Jones.

[MasterAwesome]

24 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Where did I have any miss information? 

As far as Bean, I was making the case that a smart man doing well in Buffalo worked under 2 different GMs, also learned under DG and was hired under Dave. 

As for the rest. I think its bs and if you want to play pretend I will end with this. 107-133 and 3-15. If you don't think that SUCKS then I think we can just agree to disagree and I will continue to laugh my butt off. 

Lol did you really just unironically parrot the satire in my closing sentence? I was clearly addressing you and Mr. Scot’s insistence to invalidate Hurney’s involvement in Beane’s success and development and you basically counter with “Wowwww if you don’t think Hurney sucks, that’s just laughable”. Uhhh....huh? Who are you arguing with, cause I sure as hell made no assertions or even implications about Hurney not sucking. It’s impossible to have any kind of nuanced discussion about Hurney because it inevitably devolves into “oh yeah well Hurney sucks!” .

Huddler: “Steve Hurney was the worst GM we ever had!”

Me: “His name was Marty, not Steve”.

Huddler: “Lol you seriously think he didn’t suck?! 107-133 YOU SHEEP”

That’s Hurney discussion on the Huddle in a nutshell. Very boring and rudimentary.

Misinformation is you guys trying to paint this picture of Beane as just some ops dude under Hurney and then Gettleman comes along and grooms him and shows him the ropes and then boom he gets hired as a GM. If you read the excerpt I quoted, clearly Hurney had started grooming him not just on the operations side, but scouting as well (“behind the scenes”). Like the other dude suggested, the fact that Beane was promoted to interim GM after Hurney was fired is pretty compelling evidence that he was already being heavily groomed into a GM type role under Hurney. Out of everyone in the organization, they chose Beane as most qualified to give that title to. Weird, right? So the fact that Gettleman was hired and then Beane was made Assistant General Manager or whatever seems like a pretty obvious continuation of Beane’s career trajectory that was unfolding under Hurney. 

Sure, I’m more than willing to give Hurney and Gettleman both credit for Beane’s development, as they both deserve. Hurney hired Beane to an internship, recognized the potential in him, took him under his wing, elevated him to a director position, taught him the business and some of the scouting side which ultimately earned him the interim GM position, and then Gettleman came aboard and continued to groom him. In my opinion (and Beane’s himself), Hurney was considerably more instrumental in Beane’s development and success, but I guess you guys disagree because...let me check my notes here...Hurney sucks? And 107-133? Did I get that right?

[SmartyHurney3]

44 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

From an article written at the time he got the Bills job, Beane's role under Marty...

And after...

And then under Gettleman...

How Panthers Gettleman helped groom Brandon Beane for the Bills job

Yeah, Marty helped him get his foot in the door, but Gettleman helped him learn how to be the best scout he could. You'll also find Beane is quite complimentary of Gettleman when asked.

Did ol' Dave teach him how to trade away more picks than any team in the league, giving the Panthers the fewest? Or did he teach him how to then pick absolute busts with those trade ups, and first rounders?

[Waldo]

[MasterAwesome]

36 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

From an article written at the time he got the Bills job, Beane's role under Marty...

And after...

And then under Gettleman...

How Panthers Gettleman helped groom Brandon Beane for the Bills job

Yeah, Marty helped him get his foot in the door, but Gettleman helped him learn how to be the best scout he could. You'll also find Beane is quite complimentary of Gettleman when asked.

So you counter my direct quote from Beane (unprompted quote, might I add) with....a Joe Person article?   

Beane said himself that Hurney’s teachings from a scouting standpoint were “behind the scenes”...something any reporter, let alone Joe Person, probably would not be privy to.

That’s cool that Beane is quite complimentary of Gettleman when asked. I’m sure he genuinely learned a lot under his tutelage. You know what is way more compelling though? Being complimentary of someone without being asked (i.e. Hurney). That’s often the difference between genuine admiration/respect and Coachspeak. There’s a reason no one takes Rhule seriously when a reporter asks him about someone like Whitehead on the heels of a terrible game and he says “Oh yeah Tahir is great...what a leader” yadda yadda. Whereas if a reporter asked about his overall thoughts on the season and Rhule singles out Whitehead as having been incredibly impressive, then we gotta pause and go “Uhh...what?”. 

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, SmartyHurney3 said:

Did ol' Dave teach him how to trade away more picks than any team in the league, giving the Panthers the fewest? Or did he teach him how to then pick absolute busts with those trade ups, and first rounders?

You really want to talk smack carrying the name of a guy who got fired from the same job twice? 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, MasterAwesome said:

So you counter my direct quote from Beane (unprompted quote, might I add) with....a Joe Person article?   

Beane said himself that Hurney’s teachings from a scouting standpoint were “behind the scenes”...something any reporter, let alone Joe Person, probably would not be privy to.

That’s cool that Beane is quite complimentary of Gettleman when asked. I’m sure he genuinely learned a lot under his tutelage. You know what is way more compelling though? Being complimentary of someone without being asked (i.e. Hurney). That’s often the difference between genuine admiration/respect and Coachspeak. There’s a reason no one takes Rhule seriously when a reporter asks him about someone like Whitehead on the heels of a terrible game and he says “Oh yeah Tahir is great...what a leader” yadda yadda. Whereas if a reporter asked about his overall thoughts on the season and Rhule singles out Whitehead as having been incredibly impressive, then we gotta pause and go “Uhh...what?”. 

Yeah, I'm not reading all that crap, but feel free to keep spinning.

The fun part of it for me is that Marty's not relevant to the Panthers anymore. You guys can keep whining if you want to but I don't really give a sh-t.

He's gone, he's never coming back, and the team might finally get out from under the shadow of Jerry Richardson, so I'm happy 

[SmokinwithWilly]

12 minutes ago, SmartyHurney3 said:

Did ol' Dave teach him how to trade away more picks than any team in the league, giving the Panthers the fewest? Or did he teach him how to then pick absolute busts with those trade ups, and first rounders?

I dont give a poo if he trades away every pick. He could build a team. That is something Hurney couldnt do. He was always one piece away and he would sell the future to try and make it happen. He went from NFL GM to radio show host because no one other than JR wanted any part of him. Nuff said.

[SmartyHurney3]

1 hour ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I dont give a poo if he trades away every pick. He could build a team. That is something Hurney couldnt do. He was always one piece away and he would sell the future to try and make it happen. He went from NFL GM to radio show host because no one other than JR wanted any part of him. Nuff said.

It's pretty fuging easy to build a team when you inherit 11 probowlers, with 4 all-pros, and having a HOF leader on defense, and the best QB this franchise has found on offense.

Gettleman is doing what he's actually capable of in NYC right now. Which is to say fail.