The Bridgewater Experiment... your thoughts

[KSpan]

18 minutes ago, Icege said:

I gotcha, 2s (response is quoted in the quote? Multi-quotes can be a pain sometimes)

Thanks for that. Certainly quotes that seem to support the point.

However, playing devil's advocate here those quotes were from the start of the season and there were instances of Teddy going against coaching and seemingly playcalls as well late in the season, even being called out for it publicly. Even the coachspeak seemed to be telling a different story these recent weeks.

[Proudiddy]

I was fine with keeping him on as a backup, but the more I saw, I'm over that too.  If we gotta go young at QB anyway, his cap money can be better spent at other positions and on a veteran backup for much cheaper than 24 million.  With that cap number, and what we saw as the season wore on, he's gotta go.

[stbugs]

41 minutes ago, Icege said:

He's had positive reviews from his time serving as a back-up to Sam Darnold & Drew Brees. He was brought in and paid only $14M this season with $24M on the books next season. Some of the casual fans are focused on "ermahgerd MILLYUNZ!" without looking at the big picture aren't seeing that it's a literal middle of the road salary. Apparently, we would have played our way out of the top 10 with Bridgewater yet... here we are?

He’s done fantastic with Darnold and what do you think he mentored Brees on? Positive reviews as a backup doesn’t mean he’s a good teacher or mentor to young QBs.

Also, he was paid $24M this year and has $18M in salary/bonuses next year. His cap hit <> what he was paid. That’s why he has $10M of dead cap already built up. Based on cash spent, he was the 12th highest paid QB and he finished 25th. Cap hit isn’t a good measure on a player in the first year of the contract because a huge chunk of the cash spent (signing bonus) is pushed into later cap years. 

[JawnyBlaze]

Wut. The only flashes he showed were more like sparks.  He started out bad, had a couple decent games, then right back to bad the rest of the season. Sometimes atrocious.  This season was harder to watch than 1-15, 2-14 or any other season.  It was revolting, even despite the huge improvement in coaching, the stellar rookie class, and having the best WR corps we’ve maybe ever had, or at least since Moose retired. 

[Shotgun]

37 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Yeah, and Tannehill is in the playoffs.

 

Stop pretending like QBs don't sometimes resurrect their careers. I was hoping as such, because I'm a fan of this franchise.

Tannehill came from a bad team and had way more upside than Teddy. Teddy wasn't going to all of a sudden become more talented. I'm a fan too and would just rather us pay guys like Samuel than Teddy.

[Herb]

We would have done much better with cam. Cam wasn’t great in New England, but that’s cause they Have trash around him and he had no time to learn or practice the system. He would have had a good year here. 

[Wes21]

Signing Teddy for big money seemed like a dumb idea before the season.  Now that the season has played out, it has proved to be a dumb decision.  Teddy is who he is.

[AceBoogie]

11 hours ago, Butterflyj30 said:

If we were going to suffer I would have rather suffered with Cam

And then guess what. Cam’s a free agent who we wouldn’t owe any money to. 

[TheRumGone]

Anyone saying his contract isn’t a big deal is foolish. We could’ve used that cap to help sign moton or even Samuel if we wanted. Or got a piece or two for the oline. Teddy threw 15 tds with 3 1k receivers. That is so fuging terrible where do you even begin? We could’ve matched that production with Kyle Allen without that insanely dumb contract. This isn’t even debatable. It was a horrific signing. 
 

then you throw on top of that Teddy not taking accountability, throwing coaches under the bus and what the hell are we doing? I don’t want a new draft pick near this dude.

[SOJA]

12 hours ago, stbugs said:

Hated the decision at the beginning and my plan to tank, keep comp picks, save a ton of cap to rollover and maximize our draft slot was 100% correct. Waste of yet another year because we gave away 3 comp picks, including the 3rd for Bradberry, and spent $60M in new cap for 2020 that’s gone forever. We got pick 8, maybe 7 and all we learned is that Teddy was as mediocre as many of us thought. Dude had possibly the best three WRs in the league and had 15 TDs. I’m fairly certain there were at least that many gifs showing Moore and Samuel wide open deep for easy TDs. If we had a solid QB with an arm, 30 passing TDs would have been a piece of cake.

THIS

 

[kungfoodude]

12 hours ago, Butterflyj30 said:

If we were going to suffer I would have rather suffered with Cam

100% disagree with this. It was a lot easier watching Cam suck for a franchise that I hated than having to watch him suck here. That would have been really miserable.

[Anybodyhome]

11 hours ago, Icege said:

Mind you we have already covered that performance skill != teaching skill.

You're assuming everyone agrees with that premise. 

If a QB has a proven track record of not being able to read a defense, how does he go about teaching a young, fresh-faced QB to read defenses? If he can't throw the deep ball with any consistent accuracy, how does he teach a young QB how to lead someone or how to "throw them open?"

Both of those endzone picks yesterday were prime examples of both questions I raised.

[hepcat]

I’d rather have kept Kyle Allen for cheap and had similar results

[OldhamA]

12 hours ago, Rags said:

Yeah this.

The tankers will bemoan how oh noooo he got us 3 more wins than we expected now we can't get TL but who cares. This team needed to gel and develop and we couldn't do that without stable play at QB. And the first half of the season Teddy gave us that. As the season went on, the team left Teddy behind and that's....not a bad outlook.

Could do a loooooot worse than Teddy, and I stand by the move as it was a solid big picture move. He was touted as a bridge QB and he's just that, flashed a bit at first but he could never overcome the big flaws.

He'll still be around in the NFL even after us, I mean Alex fuging Smith is still playing, but we need to find a new QB to groom under him and eventually replace him.

Pretty much.

Some people talking about how we should have intentionally tanked the year by retaining Newton (not that he wanted to be here under his current contract, but I digress), not signing any 'expensive' FAs and banking on those comp picks don't understand psychology.

Imagine Rhule coming in here known as a programme builder then turning round and intentionally tanking the season. Sure it looks great in April 2021 with all those additional Draft picks and a high pick, but it sends the wrong message to everyone. I guarantee the rest of the NFL has sat up and taken notice of what Rhule has done in such a short time with this team / roster. 

Just look at the game yesterday. Forget the NFL, the Saints are the benchmark for the NFC South - that's the first hurdle we have to overcome. We're MILES away from competing against them on a level playing field. They have so much more talent across the board. 

We're in a good position in the offseason to acquire some talented players and start rebuilding this mess Rivera and Hurney have left us in.

 

As for Bridgewater, he was brought in as a relatively inexpensive gamble - at worst he was a stable QB until you found your guy (miss me with how he's not at least a mediocre starter. Your boy Walker was handing out INTs like Oprah). At best he was the long term solution - obviously that ship has sailed. He'll be the starter in 2021. Whether they bring in a high Draft pick to learn under him depends on how the cookie crumbles in April.