Let's talk about Darnold

[thennek]

3 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

You make a good point. However, Miami wanted to move on and were willing to deal. Have the Jets made any such pronouncements? If so, I'd imagine Belichick would be calling --- he would be happy to seize a good candidate away from a division rival.

I don’t think the Jets would trade with the Patriots. Teams typically don’t negotiate or work with divisional opponents. 

Also- I think the Jets would be foolish to drop Darnold whether they pick a QB in the draft or not. Most teams need two good QB’s and Darnold was the #2 pick of the draft, only 23, and pretty cheap. If I’m the Jets I hold him until they know their 2021 Draft pick QB is going to be any better. 

[MHS831]

Just off the ESPN Banner:

Darnold believes his best days are ahead as the QB of the Jets.

Cam Newton blames the lack of camp/preseason preventing him from getting to know the system.  Hints that he will not be in NE next year. Sounds like he and BB have already had the talk. (I expect that he will sit tomorrow)

[Growl]

I personally love when people use terms like "cheap" and "little investment" when talking about the QB position

 

then we'd be free to take some lineman you've never heard of!

[Beerfacedlegend]

I took a Darnold in my toilet before . Please let’s stop this this this this bs

[GoobyPls]

2 hours ago, Jaxel said:

They wanted Baker because he was seen as more pro ready and matured (remember, he was in college a long time, similar to burrow), where as Darnold was younger, and people thought he would take time. I'd say Darnold was similar to Herbert in that regard. Darnold was with out a doubt looked at as the prospect with the highest ceiling, by a long shot.

No the highest ceiling prospect was Allen. Darnold was with Rosen as the pro ready prospect.

 

[FuFuLamePoo]

I am definitely warming up to it. Darnold has all the talent in the world, I am just not sure if he knows how to use it or not. If you can get him for like a fourth or something I think it's a really intriguing option

[Shocker]

Darnold is not a good QB.  Teddy is much better than Darnold.  Hell no.  This motherfugger is LAST in the NFL in QBR.  Do we want that guy?  Come on man.

[AceBoogie]

13 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm not sure it's accurate to say that Darnold was higher rates as a prospect than Wilson and/or Fields will be. He had some pretty serious turnover red flags.

He was indeed rated higher by some. 

[AceBoogie]

16 minutes ago, Shocker said:

Darnold is not a good QB.  Teddy is much better than Darnold.  Hell no.  This motherfugger is LAST in the NFL in QBR.  Do we want that guy?  Come on man.

Teddy is not better than Darnold. 

[Shocker]

Just now, AceBoogie said:

Teddy is not better than Darnold. 

Yeah he is...much better

[AceBoogie]

1 minute ago, Shocker said:

Yeah he is...much better

Based on what exactly?

[CanadianCat]

Would there be any consideration in trading for Wentz?

I know his contract is large but if we could afford it we could make a moneyball type trade the CLE did a few years back. We acquire Wentz and a high draft pick for a ham sandwich. Then when he's in the building you restructure the deal. 

 

...thinking out loud.

[Jaxel]

As I said, Darnold is hard to judge because he got put in an incredible unfortunate situation with maybe one of the worst and most toxic coaches in football history.

It's undeniable that he has talent, he was the second overall pick for good reason.

[BrianS]

7 hours ago, Jaxel said:

Apples to oranges comparison. I could make the argument that the Titans did it with Tannehill, and after getting out of his gastly situation with Gase, Tannehill has played like a very very good Qb.

I think the difference between Tannehill and Darnold is that prior to Gase coming to Miami, Tannehill was beginning to show signs of being a very good QB.  The record didn't really reflect very well what he was doing.  When Gase arrived in Miami, Tannehill declined rapidly in two years (after four years of rather consistent improvement) and in typical Gase / pundit / fan fashion Tannehill took a lot of heat for that.

Tannehill was a known "good apple" before Gase.  Honestly, that should have been a warning sign to the Jets when they were hiring Gase, but the hype train got going and they hired him anyway.

That's not Darnold.  Darnold hasn't really shown anything remotely close to the level of a Tannehill yet.  As bad as the Jets are, even prior to Gase, the Dolphins situation wasn't all that much better.  Yet to anyone who pays attention, it was clear that Tannehill had something, something along the lines of "There's a player there, I think we can bring out the best in him".  I don't know anyone who is willing to beat the drum for Darnold.  He just hasn't shown anything.  With Darnold, it's more like "Well, maybe there is a player there we haven't seen".

As I said earlier, I might give up some conditional picks to get him, but only with heavy conditions on them, and nothing under any circumstances above a 3rd.