For those wanting to draft a QB.... here's an interesting article in PFT

[Daly]

And we can do that in free agency something this team has always neglected and been cheap in . Eagles and Broncos won a super based off of free agency 

[trueblade]

10 minutes ago, BrianS said:

Yes, I understand they chose him.

Now, bear in mind they were looking for a bridge, and consider who they had to choose from:

Mariota signed immediately with the Raiders, we had no shot.  Dalton wasn't available until post draft.  Brady and Rivers would not be interested in a rebuilding team.  So who do you choose?

You roll with Kyle Allen, or PJ Walker. You still win about four games, but you save of ton of money and cap space currently allocated to Teddy.

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, bull123 said:

he contract is terrible

is lance a clone?

It isn't great, that is for sure. If he was MVP version of himself, it would be a good deal. But....is that gonna return?

IDK if Lance is a clone. Haven't sat down to compare them, TBH.

[Rocky Davis]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

Stafford is another injury prone guy. Plus, does it make sense to bring in a veteran like that during a rebuild? If so, why not just keep Teddy?

Stafford is a proven MF'ing NFL Quarterback who can throw the ball, with accuracy and timing, more than 10 yards down the field all season long. 

He's 5 levels above Bridgewater and I rather have Stafford missing his non-throwing arm than Bridgewater.

[Varking]

7 minutes ago, trueblade said:

You roll with Kyle Allen, or PJ Walker. You still win about four games, but you save of ton of money and cap space currently allocated to Teddy.

Teddy ensures that whoever we draft isn’t in the QB room with idiots. No offense to Allen or Walker but neither would be viewed as true contenders for the starting job over. Justin Fields or Zach Wilson. Teddy will help them with the film end and QB room and be a potential guy who could keep the starting job, hopefully making our rookie next year dig deep and push to be even better. Having Teddy next year isn’t the end of the world. 

[kungfoodude]

51 minutes ago, thennek said:

I hear you and I agree with you but the current coaches and talent evaluators chose Teddy to be the QB1. IE- Brady worked with Teddy in New Orleans and thought he was that perfect QB to run this offense. 
With that, what gives us confidence they can evaluate a kid coming out of college? Other than Trevor, there are no slam dunk QB’s coming out in 2021. Herbert was so close this draft! 

We also don't know how much of that was Hurney, Rhule, Brady, etc. Apparently some of the rumor mill indicates maybe it was more Hurney than we all thought.

I think you will have a better idea about our evaluation after this offseason and draft. At least we might see some patterns.

[BrianS]

5 minutes ago, Varking said:

Teddy ensures that whoever we draft isn’t in the QB room with idiots. No offense to Allen or Walker but neither would be viewed as true contenders for the starting job over. Justin Fields or Zach Wilson. Teddy will help them with the film end and QB room and be a potential guy who could keep the starting job, hopefully making our rookie next year dig deep and push to be even better. Having Teddy next year isn’t the end of the world. 

Yes, exactly.  You can't build an NFL QB room around Kyle Allen, PJ Walker and Will Grier.  You need a legit guy in there.  While Bridgewater isn't good, he also has some air of legitimacy around him.  Someone to help the new guy get his feet under him.

[kungfoodude]

11 minutes ago, Rocky Davis said:

Stafford is a proven MF'ing NFL Quarterback who can throw the ball, with accuracy and timing, more than 10 yards down the field all season long. 

He's 5 levels above Bridgewater and I rather have Stafford missing his non-throwing arm than Bridgewater.

I would never make the argument that Teddy was better but if Stafford only plays 8-10 games a year because he is getting drilled behind another makeshift OL, what is it worth to really even pursue that kind of signing? Especially when we would still be paying Teddy anyway.

If our situation was different, I would take Stafford for sure. But his money for 2021 wouldn't mesh well with having Teddy OR cutting Teddy. Especially when he has struggled later in his career to stay healthy.

[Rocky Davis]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

I would never make the argument that Teddy was better but if Stafford only plays 8-10 games a year because he is getting drilled behind another makeshift OL, what is it worth to really even pursue that kind of signing? Especially when we would still be paying Teddy anyway.

If our situation was different, I would take Stafford for sure. But his money for 2021 wouldn't mesh well with having Teddy OR cutting Teddy. Especially when he has struggled later in his career to stay healthy.

I wasn't endorsing bringing Stafford in, but I can't even hear the comment about sticking with Teddy Checkdown.....I'm sorry.  I am somewhat concerned Teddy being in the QB room may even influence a young QB to look to check down more often than they would if we just let the young guy learn trial by fire.

I just have had it with all the stupid check downs and throws that didn't even make it past the sticks when needed.

[Sgt Schultz]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

I would never make the argument that Teddy was better but if Stafford only plays 8-10 games a year because he is getting drilled behind another makeshift OL, what is it worth to really even pursue that kind of signing? Especially when we would still be paying Teddy anyway.

If our situation was different, I would take Stafford for sure. But his money for 2021 wouldn't mesh well with having Teddy OR cutting Teddy. Especially when he has struggled later in his career to stay healthy.

Yessir, we are still dealing with ashes of an OL that gets people injured.  Fixing that is a must.  Even if the Jags called tomorrow and said they wanted Whitehead so much they are willing to include their first round pick in the deal, Lawrence would have to get used to carrying a clipboard for a while.  Both for the sake of his learning and, until proven otherwise, his ability to stand upright.

Putting Stafford in that situation would lead to disaster, too.  And I believe Stafford would be looked upon in a different light had he not been saddled with a team that struggled to attain mediocrity throughout his career. 

As much as I was in favor of Cam playing out his contract here this season, he probably would have been knocked out, too, which would have defeated the entire purpose.

[thennek]

39 minutes ago, BrianS said:

Yes, I understand they chose him.

Now, bear in mind they were looking for a bridge, and consider who they had to choose from:

Mariota signed immediately with the Raiders, we had no shot.  Dalton wasn't available until post draft.  Brady and Rivers would not be interested in a rebuilding team.  So who do you choose?

I would gone after Rivers....he has a Carolina connection and still has a few more good years left. I understand why they chose Teddy....because they thought he was the ideal fit for the type of offense they want to run. I just think they overestimated his abilities in running it. 
It should be an interesting offseason. I hope this new staff can pull it all together. Panthers football has been mediocre the past few years. 

[Verge]

When is the last time a non franchise QB won the Super Bowl? Nick Foles maybe? Even then, they don't make it to the Super Bowl if Nick had been the starter the whole season.

[Rocky Davis]

6 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

Yessir, we are still dealing with ashes of an OL that gets people injured.  Fixing that is a must.  Even if the Jags called tomorrow and said they wanted Whitehead so much they are willing to include their first round pick in the deal, Lawrence would have to get used to carrying a clipboard for a while.  Both for the sake of his learning and, until proven otherwise, his ability to stand upright.

Putting Stafford in that situation would lead to disaster, too.  And I believe Stafford would be looked upon in a different light had he not been saddled with a team that struggled to attain mediocrity throughout his career. 

As much as I was in favor of Cam playing out his contract here this season, he probably would have been knocked out, too, which would have defeated the entire purpose.

Stafford is the sole reason why Detroit has had any decent/good seasons. 

I agree though that without a decent O-line any QB we put back there would be in trouble. 

[DaveThePanther2008]

2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Haskins is a dummy. I don't think bringing him here is a wise idea. Let the Redskins figure out if he is ever gonna mature.

Lock is a league minimum kind of player, not someone you trade draft capital for.

Wentz would be interesting but his price is steep. You better be 100% sure if you make a move like that. Also, he is pretty injury prone.

Stafford is another injury prone guy. Plus, does it make sense to bring in a veteran like that during a rebuild? If so, why not just keep Teddy?

Trubisky would be interesting option on one year deal. Maybe you get a decent quality backup option with him.

Darnold would have to be a trade and I don't think it makes a lot of sense to trade draft picks for a QB on a 1 year deal.

It's odd but Lock would be similar to Jake, A gunslinger.   The guy loves showing off his arm.  He likes the deep ball.  We have deep ball receivers but no one to get it to them.   If we didn't draft a QB and could obtain him at a reasonable cost.  I'd give it a whirl.