Its OK to reach for a QB

[saX man]

21 hours ago, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

We took Cam right after Clausen. This whole notion of "you can only pick 1 QB every 10 years" is dated as fug and I have no idea why other people here spread it. If Wilson or Fields sucks we just take another QB ASAP. Simple as.

Thank you. 100%

It doesn’t set a team back to draft a QB high. It just doesn’t. Now trading away a crap ton of picks can if you don’t do it right but even the Rams have managed after many risky moves over the years. 

We’re in that phase of the season where everyone is nitpicking the QB prospects so much that many end up hating them all and don’t want them. Fields had his first legit rough stretch in college and now he’s on the outs for some. I also don’t think Trask being a bit of a sloth is huge bc he gets the ball out so quickly and makes quick decisions. 

I find the whole Sewell thing a bit overblown. I dispute he’s some once in a lifetime prospect. I hear that so crap too much very year. And even the follow up “but I really mean it this year”.

 

 

[Moo Daeng]

Y'all do know that opinions here don't sway the draft?  4 more months of this is going to be nauseating.

[stbugs]

11 hours ago, Icege said:

If we get a Mahomes or Watson, then we have a franchise QB for the next 10yrs, that's fairly obvious.

If we don't take a QB and the Falcons replace Ryan, we still have the 2021 & 2022 offseasons to find life after Teddy.

Skipping the combine hasn't always been a killer for other prospects in the past, because pro days.

I answered. Your turn.

Well, if we did get a Trubisky it’s no different than keeping Teddy two more years and having to find another QB except cheaper. We will pass on pro bowlers during the draft, everyone does. We could have had Erik McCoy, Maxx Crosby and a G instead of Little and Grier and we actually used two of our visits on McCoy and Crosby. Still hurts, but it’s easy to find examples of great players missed even if you scout them well.

We need a real QB. It still amazes me that with Cam, Brees, Brady and Ryan that people in here think a LB or a LT will win us the division. How many times in our division has a team got together a D like Tampa when they won the SB? Getting that seems to be tougher in our division than getting a franchise QB. I’m not a fan of Ryan but the Falcons went to 8 playoffs in 41 years before him and 6 playoffs in his 13 years. He hasn’t won a SB but he’s what I’d consider to be a franchise QB whether I like him or not.

[Tinamedina]

6 hours ago, Pup McBarky said:

I think there's a very good chance that he trades down. I'm guessing he wants to draft at least 3 OL, a couple of LBs, a couple of DBs, and a TE. I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple of tradedowns. I also wouldn't be surprised to see this place explode when that happens.

Of course, it wouldn't surprise me to see him draft Wilson or Fields either. About the only think that could surprise me at this point would be trading up to get Lawrence.

Same. I'm just looking towards the incoming chaos.

[stbugs]

2 hours ago, Moo Daeng said:

Y'all do know that opinions here don't sway the draft?  4 more months of this is going to be nauseating.

OMG. Thank goodness someone much smarter than all of us is here to shut down all discussion. Where would we be without you?

By the way if people discussing draft prospects and their opinions, when the team is already mathematically eliminated with two weeks, bothers you to sickness you may want to avoid this forum.

[stbugs]

13 minutes ago, Tinamedina said:

Same. I'm just looking towards the incoming chaos.

Me too, hence my desire for a rookie QB. Teddy never excited me. People saw the 5-0 with NO (actually 5-1, but he didn’t start that game) and didn’t dive into what he actually did. I’d rather take a flyer on Fields, Wilson or Lance and fail than keep going 7-9, 5-11 and 4-10 and feel like we might make the playoffs but we won’t actually contend. We’ve got a lot of solid pieces and we may lose some because we blew so much cap on a season we all knew was lost. That’s my biggest regret (yes, to be clear I didn’t make or influence the decision) of this off-season, the blown cap and lost comp picks. We need Moton, Moore and Anderson (if we lose Samuel, we’ll be fine) and that extra 3rd could have meant taking two day two OL instead of one. The lost cap and comp picks set us back probably 2 starters and we got to 4-10.

[Icege]

4 hours ago, stbugs said:

Well, if we did get a Trubisky it’s no different than keeping Teddy two more years and having to find another QB except cheaper. We will pass on pro bowlers during the draft, everyone does. We could have had Erik McCoy, Maxx Crosby and a G instead of Little and Grier and we actually used two of our visits on McCoy and Crosby. Still hurts, but it’s easy to find examples of great players missed even if you scout them well.

We need a real QB. It still amazes me that with Cam, Brees, Brady and Ryan that people in here think a LB or a LT will win us the division. How many times in our division has a team got together a D like Tampa when they won the SB? Getting that seems to be tougher in our division than getting a franchise QB. I’m not a fan of Ryan but the Falcons went to 8 playoffs in 41 years before him and 6 playoffs in his 13 years. He hasn’t won a SB but he’s what I’d consider to be a franchise QB whether I like him or not.

If we draft another Teddy, that means we missed out on a top 5 player because the team reached on a position rather than evaluating the best player available. Currently, if Lawrence & Fields are gone, taking a late 1st rd graded QB in the top 5 is the definition of a luxury pick since there are better players available.

What makes you think this team is ready to compete for the division next season? It needs a completely rebuilt OL, help in the secondary, a QB, an MLB, a TE, and some help on special teams. Getting a QB who's only contracted linemen are Little, Daley, and Paradis is not setting them up for success. A young defense with the current competition for MLB being between two UDFAs (Mack & Orr) doesn't sound like a unit that is going to help keep a young QB from having to be a superhero.

I'm nervous about any QB outside of Lawrence. I feel better about rolling the dice on Trey Lance if the team can trade back, but there's still plenty of time for Fields to reclaim his indisputable #2 QB ranking or solidify Wilson as that guy. The free agent QB class for 2022 looks really good, as in the team can likely cut Teddy and upgrade the position with cash still saved. Getting "the guy" on a rookie deal is ideal ofc, but again, why burn a pick on Blake Bortles in the top 5 when Khalil Mack and Anthony Barr are available? Was he really what was best for the team in that situation?

Tldr; while the team needs a QB idk if it's worth reaching on a weaker prospect that is graded to go anywhere after #15 in the top 5 when there are other available options the following year.

 

[stbugs]

37 minutes ago, Icege said:

If we draft another Teddy, that means we missed out on a top 5 player because the team reached on a position rather than evaluating the best player available. Currently, if Lawrence & Fields are gone, taking a late 1st rd graded QB in the top 5 is the definition of a luxury pick since there are better players available.

What makes you think this team is ready to compete for the division next season? It needs a completely rebuilt OL, help in the secondary, a QB, an MLB, a TE, and some help on special teams. Getting a QB who's only contracted linemen are Little, Daley, and Paradis is not setting them up for success. A young defense with the current competition for MLB being between two UDFAs (Mack & Orr) doesn't sound like a unit that is going to help keep a young QB from having to be a superhero.

I'm nervous about any QB outside of Lawrence. I feel better about rolling the dice on Trey Lance if the team can trade back, but there's still plenty of time for Fields to reclaim his indisputable #2 QB ranking or solidify Wilson as that guy. The free agent QB class for 2022 looks really good, as in the team can likely cut Teddy and upgrade the position with cash still saved. Getting "the guy" on a rookie deal is ideal ofc, but again, why burn a pick on Blake Bortles in the top 5 when Khalil Mack and Anthony Barr are available? Was he really what was best for the team in that situation?

Tldr; while the team needs a QB idk if it's worth reaching on a weaker prospect that is graded to go anywhere after #15 in the top 5 when there are other available options the following year.

 

I’m nervous as well because you know there’s a very good chance we take Trubisky and someone ends up with Mahomes. That said being nervous would be a lot more fun/exciting than knowing we’ll just be mediocre to bad again.

Also, while you have some examples I could also say that these guys:

Solomon Thomas, Fournette, Corey Davis, Mike Williams, John Ross, Barkley, Jamal Adams, Lattimore, CMC, Quenton Nelson, Chubb, Denzel Ward

Were picked before Josh Allen, Mahomes or Watson. Adams was a solid player but do you think the Jets would have rather had Mahomes or Indy have Allen over a guard?

I find it ironic that people in here pre-2020 wanted to trade two firsts for Adam’s but trading two firsts and others for Lawrence is an awful move.

Also, I never said I wanted to compete in 2021 or that a rookie would have us competing. My entire idea (which unfortunately for us was correct, but Hurney’d up), was to get as many draft picks for 2021 (comp picks for our huge departing 2020 FAs) and 2022 and save as much cap space for future FAs so that we could shoot for taking the division in 2022 and for a decade with Lawrence as Brady and Brees were gone and Matty Ice will be in depends so he doesn’t poo himself in live TV again.

 

[philit99]

You never reach for any player in the NFL. You have to trust your scouts and draft board. You draft by player not position, or you are effectively lowering your draft selection. You could trade back and gain assets instead of reaching for a player. Anyways, for those that are crying for a QB, I personally think that odds are slim that we draft one.

[GoPanthers123]

To reach for QB is to put the eggs into one basket.  If he works out it’s awesome though. 

[Chief Keek]

Yes it's worth the gamble to try and land that franchise QB.

[Monrowed]

33 minutes ago, philit99 said:

You never reach for any player in the NFL. You have to trust your scouts and draft board. You draft by player not position, or you are effectively lowering your draft selection. You could trade back and gain assets instead of reaching for a player. Anyways, for those that are crying for a QB, I personally think that odds are slim that we draft one.

Why do you think that the Panthers won’t draft one? Is it because Teddy is doing so well?

[Mr. Scot]

5 hours ago, stbugs said:

Me too, hence my desire for a rookie QB. Teddy never excited me. People saw the 5-0 with NO (actually 5-1, but he didn’t start that game) and didn’t dive into what he actually did. I’d rather take a flyer on Fields, Wilson or Lance and fail than keep going 7-9, 5-11 and 4-10 and feel like we might make the playoffs but we won’t actually contend. We’ve got a lot of solid pieces and we may lose some because we blew so much cap on a season we all knew was lost. That’s my biggest regret (yes, to be clear I didn’t make or influence the decision) of this off-season, the blown cap and lost comp picks. We need Moton, Moore and Anderson (if we lose Samuel, we’ll be fine) and that extra 3rd could have meant taking two day two OL instead of one. The lost cap and comp picks set us back probably 2 starters and we got to 4-10.

To be clear, she thinks we're going to start PJ Walker.

[Peon Awesome]

Drafting a qb over a player with a higher grade but lower positional value isn't necessarily reaching. A player's appropriate draft position factors in both positional value and grade. Reaching means selecting a player at a draft slot well earlier than where other teams were expected to draft them. Players like Wilson, Fields and Lance are well in play in the top 10. Reaching would be taking Mac Jones in the top 10 because the other 4 qbs went earlier and you're that desperate for a rookie qb. If that's the case and you want Jones, you trade back and get something, anything, rather than take him in the top 10. Or you take an elite prospect with your 1st round pick and figure out what decent second tier qb prospect might be worth your 2nd round pick.