When is the last time we drafted a left tackle that stayed healthy his rookie year?

[Davidson Deac II]

I think they should keep Bridgewater at least one more year, and draft a QB.  Then let TB start next year, ala Fitzpatrick in Miami, or Alex Smith in KC.  Give the new guy a chance to learn by watching for a while, and maybe give us a shot at building a better oline for the new guy.  

 

Bridgewater is using up a ton of cap space, might as well get some use out of him as a temp starter until the staff is ready for the draftee.  Assuming we do draft a qb.  

[KSpan]

45 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

Dude I was talking about PJ not Shitwater

 

[Mr. Scot]

7 hours ago, WarHeel said:

Better question: when is the last time we drafted a LT worth a damn?

Greg Little just needs three or four more years and he'll be fine 

[1of10Charnatives]

9 hours ago, TheMaulClaw said:

This is my only problem with drafting a tackle at 3. They never stay healthy for us. I think you have to go back to Gross.

HUGE fallacy inherent in this statement. There is an underlying presumption that the health of previously drafted tackles has or will have any impact on the health of any we draft going forward.

On top of that, how many tackles have we drafted since Gross? Let's see, there's Moton, who has been a pretty healthy dependable player, Rashad Butler, who never went anywhere in the NFL and was never expected to start for us as a 3rd round pick, so why exactly would anyone remember or care whether he stayed healthy? Jeff Otah did have problems staying healthy, we all know that, as has Little, but your statement essentially is based on 2 tackles out of 4 drafted since Gross having health issues. That's a pretty small sample size and the NFL is a pretty violent game. Injuries happen.

The problem isn't really so  much that drafted tackles never stay healthy for us, but that since Gross in 2003, this franchise has drafted only 4 tackles in the first 3 rounds (where one normally expects to find starters), and 2 of those 4 have only come in the last couple years once Cam Newton's injuries made it beyond obvious his protection was horibad.  Instead we've had one GM obsessed with drafting as many linebackers as possible, and another obsessed with hog mollies, which for some reason never seemed to include OT's.

4 OT's drafted in the top 3 rounds in 16 years is, as they say in Sweden, No Bueno.

 

[Mr. Scot]

6 hours ago, RumHam said:

Otah was great, for exactly one year. Gross was it. Blake Brockermeyer?

Otah wasn't a left tackle.

[onmyown]

Oline are only behind RB/HB for most injury prone position. It’s a fact. But it’s worse, because big men rarely heal and they’re not as replaceable. Like Charles Johnson (applies to defense a bit less), Williams (yet we still signed him for a year to see), Otah, Norwell is now struggling with it, Matt Kalil, Okung, R Kalil even couldn’t get back to his old self...these are just recent Panther players but it’s been know since forever and it’s rarely a good idea to sign an olineman with an injury history. And now Little...recently Paradis who stated last year he still had issues...and the Broncos were smart enough to realize and the Panther hopped on another injured olineman right after Kalil God knows why.

I say it every time we sign an injured big player who is ‘100%’ it just doesn’t happen and needs to stop.

That said I have tremendous respect for guys like Whitworth, Gross, Munoz, Roaf, Long, Thomas, etc. I mean these guys are extremely rare, basically stone walls on the blind side for over a decade. 
 

And if we look back at these greats, and more, most were founds in the top 10 picks of the draft. You simply get the most drafting them, not signing pre injured ones like this FO loves to do. Durable LTs who don’t have injury issues, even average ones, are not just let go by their teams for a reason. It sure would be nice to find one of these guys in the draft, even if it’s late. 

[OldhamA]

10 hours ago, PootieNunu said:

My wife and I are huge panthers fans and I don't know if I can watch Teddy for 2 more years. If that happens we will lose a ton of fans and revenue. I would not jump to another team, probably just move into not caring or really watching anymore

This is going to get downvoted to hell - but this was my stance about Newton post 2015. He was painful to watch. 

That said, I obviously stuck with it.

[OldhamA]

10 hours ago, TheMaulClaw said:

In retrospect would it have been a bad idea to draft a qb while Cam was here? Or mlb?

I mean its always worked out for the Packers right?

*cough* Patrick Mahomes *cough*

[OldhamA]

32 minutes ago, onmyown said:

Oline are only behind RB/HB for most injury prone position. It’s a fact. But it’s worse, because big men rarely heal and they’re not as replaceable. Like Charles Johnson (applies to defense a bit less), Williams (yet we still signed him for a year to see), Otah, Norwell is now struggling with it, Matt Kalil, Okung, R Kalil even couldn’t get back to his old self...these are just recent Panther players but it’s been know since forever and it’s rarely a good idea to sign an olineman with an injury history. And now Little...recently Paradis who stated last year he still had issues...and the Broncos were smart enough to realize and the Panther hopped on another injured olineman right after Kalil God knows why.

I say it every time we sign an injured big player who is ‘100%’ it just doesn’t happen and needs to stop.

That said I have tremendous respect for guys like Whitworth, Gross, Munoz, Roaf, Long, Thomas, etc. I mean these guys are extremely rare, basically stone walls on the blind side for over a decade. 
 

And if we look back at these greats, and more, most were founds in the top 10 picks of the draft. You simply get the most drafting them, not signing pre injured ones like this FO loves to do. Durable LTs who don’t have injury issues, even average ones, are not just let go by their teams for a reason. It sure would be nice to find one of these guys in the draft, even if it’s late. 

Honestly, every NFL player is injured during the season.

I'm pretty sure Thomas played through some horrendous injuries to keep his starting streak going (muscles torn off the bone etc).

The difference isn't that we sign injury prone OL, it's that we don't sign TALENTED OL. The ones you've listed can still play at an NFL level despite only being 70%+ healthy. The second our marginally talented guys get any sort of injury you have to take them out of the lineup as they're a danger to their teammates. 

[TheMaulClaw]

9 hours ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

HUGE fallacy inherent in this statement. There is an underlying presumption that the health of previously drafted tackles has or will have any impact on the health of any we draft going forward.

On top of that, how many tackles have we drafted since Gross? Let's see, there's Moton, who has been a pretty healthy dependable player, Rashad Butler, who never went anywhere in the NFL and was never expected to start for us as a 3rd round pick, so why exactly would anyone remember or care whether he stayed healthy? Jeff Otah did have problems staying healthy, we all know that, as has Little, but your statement essentially is based on 2 tackles out of 4 drafted since Gross having health issues. That's a pretty small sample size and the NFL is a pretty violent game. Injuries happen.

The problem isn't really so  much that drafted tackles never stay healthy for us, but that since Gross in 2003, this franchise has drafted only 4 tackles in the first 3 rounds (where one normally expects to find starters), and 2 of those 4 have only come in the last couple years once Cam Newton's injuries made it beyond obvious his protection was horibad.  Instead we've had one GM obsessed with drafting as many linebackers as possible, and another obsessed with hog mollies, which for some reason never seemed to include OT's.

4 OT's drafted in the top 3 rounds in 16 years is, as they say in Sweden, No Bueno.

 

There is no fallacy...even the free agent tackles havent stayed healthy. Okung hasnt. Oher gave us one good year the concussion issues.  Byron freaking Bell was our closest thing....and eventually the same happened.

Its a legitimate concern. We don't seem to stay healthy at tackle.  Does it meqn we shouldn't take one....no it doesnt...but it does give me pause.

[1of10Charnatives]

9 hours ago, TheMaulClaw said:

There is no fallacy...even the free agent tackles havent stayed healthy. Okung hasnt. Oher gave us one good year the concussion issues.  Byron freaking Bell was our closest thing....and eventually the same happened.

Its a legitimate concern. We don't seem to stay healthy at tackle.  Does it meqn we shouldn't take one....no it doesnt...but it does give me pause.

Assuming what has happened in the past will continue to happen in the future without specific reasons that would cause this to be true is indeed a fallacy. In basketball it's called the hot hand fallacy, and it's discussed by the father of modern behaviorial economics, Dr Richard Thaler, in this clip from The Big Short featuring Selena Gomez.

 

[TheMaulClaw]

1 hour ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Assuming what has happened in the past will continue to happen in the future without specific reasons that would cause this to be true is indeed a fallacy. In basketball it's called the hot hand fallacy, and it's discussed by the father of modern behaviorial economics, Dr Richard Thaler, in this clip from The Big Short featuring Selena Gomez.

 

Sorry man...I can't bring myself to press play on that vid.  If you noticed, I never said not to draft Sewell but in the very least history shows that Tackle is an oft injured position.

Going back to your break down.  Let us say that a women has been in four consecutive physically abusive relationships, would she be weird to think it will probably happen again in her next one? Would she be wrong to be skeptical about the next relationship?

[MechaZain]

Sewell is going to be great no matter where he ends up.

[DaveThePanther2008]

On 12/23/2020 at 1:16 AM, RumHam said:

Otah was great, for exactly one year. Gross was it. Blake Brockermeyer?

I see his twin boys signed with Alabama.