At 3?

[bigdog10]

2 hours ago, hepcat said:

How are people still talking about drafting anything other than QB? Teddy freaking sucks.

I think it’s a given Teddy sucks. 
 

Many of us understand that qbs are a crap shoot. If you have qbs 3-6 graded closely, I’d much rather take the franchise left tackle and then qb6 as opposed to qb3 and relying on Greg little to protect his blindside. 
 

Or get your franchise offensive lineman in this draft and then your qb next year. This isn’t a draft Zach Wilson and immediately all our problems are solved situation. This offensive line is criminally bad outside of Moton (and has been since Gross left and Ryan Kalil was in his prime). 
 

Rookie QBs succeed when they are put in a good situation.  Putting a rookie behind this line would be disastrous. 
 

 

[LinvilleGorge]

Why not both? If we draft a QB in the first it wouldn't surprise me if we drafted a couple of OL shortly after.

[Growl]

"franchise" left tackle lol

[hepcat]

23 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Why not both? If we draft a QB in the first it wouldn't surprise me if we drafted a couple of OL shortly after.

I could see the panthers have two very different strategies this offseason. 1 is like you mentioned - getting a franchise QB in the first round, building up the offensive line through the draft, and adding to the defense in free agency/late draft picks.

The other approach I could see this offseason is a team-centric approach similar to last year that keeps Bridgewater as the starter and focuses on BPA in the draft and plugging holes in FA again. I see merits to both...but this team DESPERATELY needs a QB that can win games in the 4th quarter. Bridgewater has proven time and time again he’s not that guy.

[jb2288]

3 hours ago, saX man said:

Never bank on who may be there or a trade. Get who you want without mortgaging more than necessary.

I’d go Wilson easy. Wasn’t last year the generational can’t miss on the top LT prospect draft? Becton, Wirfs, Wills, etc? I feel like I hear that every draft. 

Idk, this is kind of a weird draft. Yes every year there's that jargon, but this year there actually is both the cant miss generational LT and QB. This time it actually is backed up by those 2 guys

[panthers55]

If the choice is between the 3rd best QB or the best players in the draft at any other position you have to go with the best guy. There will be players at QB in the second round we want or guys we can move up in the first later in the draft for less than trying to move up from 3 to 2 or 1.

[stbugs]

6 hours ago, Panther'sBigD said:

If we can't get Lawrence, I want Sewell. If we get Sewell, and one of the QBs we want is still on the board, then we trade back up to get him. If not, we use our ridiculously high picks in each round to fill out the few gaping holes in our roster, suck with Teddy for one more season, get another round of ridiculously high picks and go get a guy like Sam Howell in 2022. 

You can build an offense around either Lawrence or Sewell. Both are that important. A generational talent at LT can make even mediocre QBs look good, but we've seen what awful LTs can do to generational talent at QB.  

The first part is not true. LT is one part of the OL and Cam did make 4 playoff runs and a SB with Oher as his best LT. Joe Thomas never got to the playoffs. Our OL had a great interior during that run. You can scheme help (unless you make the SB and decide it’s best to have Remmers handle Miller 1 on 1) to a weak point on the OL. One LT can’t make a QB make better throws or not scared.

[SCO96]

3 hours ago, hepcat said:

I could see the panthers have two very different strategies this offseason. 1 is like you mentioned - getting a franchise QB in the first round, building up the offensive line through the draft, and adding to the defense in free agency/late draft picks.

The other approach I could see this offseason is a team-centric approach similar to last year that keeps Bridgewater as the starter and focuses on BPA in the draft and plugging holes in FA again. I see merits to both...but this team DESPERATELY needs a QB that can win games in the 4th quarter. Bridgewater has proven time and time again he’s not that guy.

Teddy so far has proven that he isn't a "clutch" QB. But, I don't blame all of our problems on him. The defense is far from elite.  We don't generate a consistent pass rush and our secondary is below average. That's a recipe for disaster in a pass happy league. As bad as Teddy has played down the stretch, he has still kept us in most of our games. We only lost two games (both to Tampa) by more than one score. We've held our own against 3  of the best teams in football (GB, KC, NO)

If that defense can get to middle of the pack in terms of ranking and Teddy improves just a little, we can be an 8-10 win team next year and possibly get our franchise guy in 2022 or draft a player to develop in the mid rounds of this years (2021) draft. We need to be careful drafting a QB  strictly for need if we aren't sure about the guy. If we blow a top 10 pick on a QB that can set us back for years.

[RumHam]

8 hours ago, Panther53521 said:

Lawrence and Fields is gone.

do you take Wilson or Sewell and hope Trask is there in second?

YOU DO NOT REACH

[ClawOn]

For the Wilson guys you have to be concerned about Clemson humiliating Fields next week.