Lawrence is worth it

[stbugs]

17 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Define "worth it"? Because unless Lawrence absolutely refuses to play for the Jets the only way you're getting that pick is to make an absolutely idiotic trade offer.

I don’t think even a crazy offer would do. If Lawrence will play there the pick is not for sale, that simple. Our only hope is that he tells the Jets he won’t play for them. Hopefully, he adds that he loves playing at BOA Stadium now.

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1 hour ago, Captain Obvious said:

If i was Tepper I would bankroll a friend to buy the jets then have them trade the pick to us. 

Lol, how funny would that be.

[Wanderlai]

He is worth it but I just don’t see the Jets doing it. Offer this years 1st, the next 2 years 1st, and CMC and I bet they still decline.  

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30 minutes ago, Rags said:

There's never been a QB as smart as Peyton Manning.

Legion of Boom carried the Hawks early in Wilsion's career and when they slowed down then the OL was exposed.

Luck's lack of both killed his career and potential and he was the last "generational QB"

We have neither a Good o-line or a good defense and mortgaging the future based on Lawrence's ceiling will not guarantee us a SB. 

Mortgaging the future? It’s a few picks that might be top 10. We have a lot of talent holes. Teddy isn’t the answer and Lawrence is that much better a prospect than the other QBs in this draft. Also, this isn’t a two year rebuild, with a rookie QB we want to start being good in years 3-5.

I mean none of this matters until Trevor says he won’t play for the Jets. If Gase is still around that becomes more likely. He’s awful and has made himself look terrible lately. 

[Rags]

2 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Mortgaging the future? It’s a few picks that might be top 10. We have a lot of talent holes. Teddy isn’t the answer and Lawrence is that much better a prospect than the other QBs in this draft. Also, this isn’t a two year rebuild, with a rookie QB we want to start being good in years 3-5.

I mean none of this matters until Trevor says he won’t play for the Jets. If Gase is still around that becomes more likely. He’s awful and has made himself look terrible lately. 

Look at the RGIII trade.

That was for the #2 overall pick.

TLaw is much better and will undoubtedly go #1 overall and even if TLaw says I'm not playing for NY (unlikely. We heard this just last year with Burrow/Bengals and it was just media clickbait.) it's still going to be a bidding war.

We're not as bad as you think, but we're not so good you say "trade away a few firsts". We don't need a TLaw we just need a Good QB.

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Just now, Rags said:

Look at the RGIII trade.

That was for the #2 overall pick.

TLaw is much better and will undoubtedly go #1 overall and even if TLaw says I'm not playing for NY (unlikely. We heard this just last year with Burrow/Bengals and it was just media clickbait.) it's still going to be a bidding war.

We're not as bad as you think, but we're not so good you say "trade away a few firsts". We don't need a TLaw we just need a Good QB.

RG3 was too much (Dan Snyder and co weren’t good at drafting back then) but it sucked he had injury issues. I think people forget he was the offensive player of the year/ROY/pro bowler and the Redskins went from 5-11 to 10-6. He got hurt in the playoffs and that was it. Wentz and Goff worked out in terms of getting those teams in the playoffs and went 1-1 in the SB. Goff is the only of the 3 that’s stayed healthy.

Anyway, Lawrence is a way better prospect than these 3, but all three of those teams were playoff teams by the 2nd year of those QBs.

Also, it’s funny watching this game and people still saying we aren’t that bad and just need a good QB. Look at GB, they compete every year because of Rodgers. Do you think if GB had to give up a couple firsts and 2nds his rookie year that they wouldn’t have? Would those picks in any impact on their playoff run this year? GB won a SB in Rodgers’ 6th year not his 2nd or 3rd year. Unfortunately, Cam’s career was cut short because of all the hits but most stud QBs aren’t done after year 7.

 

[Basbear]

So all the panthers need during the first 5 years of Wilson/Lance/Fields is the #1 defense and #1 rushing game. Then unseen amount of luck and him to survive a Top 2 QB hits for the next few years cured by miracle water....... then that pick will be worth it!!! What are the odds 1 out of 5,902,021??

Also during those first three years, no early picks too? Jesus, I believe cloning Russy Wilson would be easier at this point. 

[Brooklyn 3.0]

OP is asking that the Jets pass on one of the best QBs to ever come out of college ... and ride with Sam Darnold because he's not half bad, lol.

 

[CarolinaNCSU]

1% chance the Jets trade the pick, and that's the 1% chance that Lawrence pulls an Eli/Elway and demands a trade.  

 

If that goes down...get him. 

[qazsazsaz]

5 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

OP is asking that the Jets pass on one of the best QBs to ever come out of college ... and ride with Sam Darnold because he's not half bad, lol.

 

I strongly believe that the Jets would ruin Lawrence even WORSE than the Colts ruined Luck. Both Lawrence and tbh maybe the Jets wouldn't help themselves long-term if they were paired together. The Jets could use our picks and really rebuild their team with talent. 

[Clicheking]

Nvm

[Rags]

4 minutes ago, stbugs said:

RG3 was too much (Dan Snyder and co weren’t good at drafting back then) but it sucked he had injury issues. I think people forget he was the offensive player of the year/ROY/pro bowler and the Redskins went from 5-11 to 10-6. He got hurt in the playoffs and that was it. Wentz and Goff worked out in terms of getting those teams in the playoffs and went 1-1 in the SB. Goff is the only of the 3 that’s stayed healthy.

Anyway, Lawrence is a way better prospect than these 3, but all three of those teams were playoff teams by the 2nd year of those QBs.

Also, it’s funny watching this game and people still saying we aren’t that bad and just need a good QB. Look at GB, they compete every year because of Rodgers. Do you think if GB had to give up a couple firsts and 2nds his rookie year that they wouldn’t have? Would those picks in any impact on their playoff run this year? GB won a SB in Rodgers’ 6th year not his 2nd or 3rd year. Unfortunately, Cam’s career was cut short because of all the hits but most stud QBs aren’t done after year 7.

 

I think you missed my point. Me bringing up RGIII wasn't to slander him (though his problems were deeper than the injury. He refused to take film study seriously and after he was scared to run he saw defenses he never saw before.), but also Skins had a solid defense and good o-line that season. Not to mention the read option was unguardable then.

Rams traded and spent a LOT of money to build that team. And Roseman built a great team that already had elite weapons for Wentz along with a lethal pass rush, it's no surprise that team didn't fall of when Foles was under center.

Lawrence is obviously a better player, but we don't have the pieces nor cap to rebound like these teams did with just one good QB.  You failed to mention the last Generational QB, Andrew Luck, who was a victim of bad drafting, yes, but if we give up capital for Lawrence we'd essentially be doing the same thing. 

And Rodgers is a 15 year vet. With one ring. Because of bad defenses, bad o-lines and bad drafting. He has constantly been the best and brightest spot on that team and even he couldn't carry them over the finish line.  Much like Luck, both QBs elevated their team, but they never looked that consistently good until they had a team built around them. Imagine Luck on this current Colts team. Hell look at Allen on the current Bills team.

I see your point of "Rodgers won and they didn't need the picks to do it." But 1) He was taken in the 20s, 2) He hasn't done much sense because of a bad supporting cast, and 3) That's Not The Norm. 

TLaw is special, but we don't need to break the bank for him. We can get a solid QB and build a better team and do just as well if we develop, coach and execute right.

 

[Pup McBarky]

10 hours ago, stbugs said:

Sounds good, glad you agree. First of all, it wouldn’t be that much (3 firsts)

Hoo boy.