Lawrence is worth it

[SteveSmithTD89]

2 1sts and a 2nd is also at best about half what it would take to not have the jets hang up immediately.  

This idea that Lawrence is only going to take 2 firsts is an absolute fallacy that doesn't even merit conversation on this board. 

It would in all likelihood take the most astronomical trade in the history of the NFL to pull off. Meaning 0% chance it happens.

[mrcompletely11]

Mac Jones has a smooth release

[Basbear]

17 minutes ago, Diehardpanther02 said:

So are you admitting his OL was bad, or denying his OL was bad. Rankings don't mean Jack, when we played against top ranked DLs they got destroyed.  The bad Kalil was a starter at LT. People still moan about that contract.

 

Remove Cam from the talk. And add in Russell Wilson. Great QBs mask deficiencys everywhere. Cam was playing out of his mind that year and couldn't be sacked because he was body slamming D-Ends. 

2015 was good, 2017 was meh. They do cover for many issues, just not til they had a few years to get to that point. 

[Basbear]

19 minutes ago, Diehardpanther02 said:

Greg Olsen wasn't even a Lineman. Bro your not making any sense.

O line is definitely important. But great QBs can make up for a lot of problems on that side of the ball.

Look at the quote, without a decent OL and TEs its in it. 

[Paintballr]

Just because the one dude is saying a QB has never once carried a team to the playoffs - when I say Cam clearly has and any panthers fan can say that. Below are the list of starters at oline for Cam when we made the playoffs in ‘13, ‘14, ‘15 and ‘17

’13

LT - Jordan Gross (1st round draft pick, 12 year veteran)

LG - Travelled Wharton (3rd round draft pick, 8 year veteran) 

C - Ryan Kalil (2nd round draft pick, 7 year veteran)

RG - Nate Chandler (UDFA DT that turned Guard in preseason, 2 year veteran)

RT - Byron Bell (UDFA, 2 year veteran)

‘14
LT -Byron Bell (UDFA, 3 year veteran)

LG - Andrew Norwell (UDFA, Rookie)

C - Ryan Kalil - (2nd round draft pick, 8 year veteran) 

RG - Trai Turner (3rd round pick, rookie)

RT - Nate Chandler (UDFA DT that went from G to RT, 3 year veteran)

’15

LT - Michael Oher (FA, 6 year veteran) 

LG - Andrew Norwell (UDFA, 2 year veteran) 

C - Ryan Kalil (2nd round pick, 9 year veteran) 

RG - Trai Turner (3rd round pick, 2 year veteran) 

RT - Andrew Norwell (UDFA, 4 year veteran - and 4th team) 

‘17

LT- Matt Kalil (FA, 5 year veteran) 

LG - Andrew Norwell (UDFA, 4 year veteran)

C - Tyler Larson (UDFA, 2 year veteran) 

RG - Trai Turner (3rd round pick, 4 year veteran) 

RT - Daryl Williams (4th round pick, 2 year veteran) 

 

if that doesn’t show you Cam carried those teams nothing does

 

[Diehardpanther02]

1 minute ago, Basbear said:

Look at the quote, without a decent OL and TEs its in it. 

Either way, your talking about OL and you bring in a TE. That's a skill position. Not a lineman. When they're blocking it's because we are running the ball in most cases. Especially while Greg was here, or to cover for the arse tackles we had. Which still proves my point.

Our OL was booty. And Cam took us to a superbowl. Your argument is no longer valid.

Had some solid points though. Except for the one where you said a good QB can't make up for a bad oline.

[Basbear]

20 minutes ago, Paintballr said:

Bro 

2013 Panthers OLine 

Byron Bell - LT

Andrew Norwell - LG (Rookie)

Ryan Kalil - C 

Trai Turner - G (Rookie)

Nate Chandler - RT

Both starting tackles didn’t start for another team once they left here as a full time starter, Trai and Andrew were both rookies as well

Tackles where sub-par at best, I have stuck up for Bell at RT tho... Both those OBs went on to 1st/2nd all-pros along with having great "rookie" years.  I also didnt list the 2013 line in my comments, that OL was due to salary cap left by Herniay too..

[Paintballr]

2 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Tackles where sub-par at best, I have stuck up for Bell at RT tho... Both those OBs went on to 1st/2nd all-pros along with having great "rookie" years.  I also didnt list the 2013 line in my comments, that OL was due to salary cap left by Herniay too..

I didn’t add that Norwell didn’t start till half way through the season because “reasons” Bell was serviceable at best. I appreciate his time but no way to say he was the reason cam did well or carried Cam

 

also just gonna ignore we had a converted DT UDFA playing and starting multiple years for us?

[Basbear]

Just now, Diehardpanther02 said:

Either way, your talking about OL and you bring in a TE. That's a skill position. Not a lineman. When they're blocking it's because we are running the ball in most cases. Especially while Greg was here, or to cover for the arse tackles we had. Which still proves my point.

Our OL was booty. And Cam took us to a superbowl. Your argument is no longer valid.

Had some solid points though. Except for the one where you said a good QB can't make up for a bad oline.

My original quote included TE. A TE is a QBs' best friend and greatly helps the O flow. They were not ass in 2017, they gave cam the longest time to throw league wide. Close to 5 seconds, which was unreal. 2017 was a legit top five unit. 

 

[t96]

1 hour ago, Mage said:

Trevor Lawrence is amazing, yes.  But we have 0% chance of getting him.  So it isn't worth talking about whatsoever.

I think there is a chance. Might be less than like 5% but there is definitely a chance Lawrence pulls an Eli with the Jets and we could have a chance to trade up for him. Even if he does that, which is unlikely, it's still not likely we are the ones to trade for him, although I absolutely would not rule it out.

[Diehardpanther02]

Just now, Basbear said:

My original quote included TE. A TE is a QBs' best friend and greatly helps the O flow. They were not ass in 2017, they gave cam the longest time to throw league wide. Close to 5 seconds, which was unreal. 2017 was a legit top five unit. 

 

Your not even talking about your original argument.

Which was.

There has never been a Great QB carry a bad oline to the superbowl. Cam did. In 2015. Along with bad receivers.

But that's it for me dawg, your losing track

Let's go get this L for trevor LOL

[Basbear]

1 minute ago, Paintballr said:

I didn’t add that Norwell didn’t start till half way through the season because “reasons” Bell was serviceable at best. I appreciate his time but no way to say he was the reason cam did well or carried Cam

Cam for sure masked many issues with the OL during his panther era, 2015 and 2017 the OL didnt have the same issues tho. 

[Mol3m4n]

1 hour ago, Basbear said:

Its amazing to see people believe one QB can lead a team to wins without a average OL and TEs.

 

Ive been meaning to ask the "DRAFT QB" crew to name one , just one QB that had a playoff run without a decent OL.....

Im going to start asking and again they will not answer. 

Seahawks for several years now.

[Green-Ghost]

For the Tankers!

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