we have mastered - playing "not to lose"

[tight lines]

According to espns play by play 7 of the 25 passes thrown in the second half were deep passes

Im not sure how many you think should be deep balls but outside of madden thats pretty aggressive

[Jangler]

How many got points? outscored 24-3 that's conservative, but you go ahead and continue to defend this poo. I have had enough of going in circles with all the Fox/Jake ball snuggers.

[Nu Guns]

Yes, which makes us loose

[tight lines]

How many got points? outscored 24-3 that's conservative, but you go ahead and continue to defend this poo. I have had enough of going in circles with all the Fox/Jake ball snuggers.

So your definition of conservative bs is improperly executed bs.

Most people consider conservative to be calling generally safe plays like runs and high percentage passes.

You can have your own definition if you like never mind the facts.

[Jangler]

3-5 fact

[Fox007]

What we have mastered is not winning in back to back seasons.

[Jangler]

5tds 13 INTS fact

[tight lines]

You know how I can tell I won this argument jangler?

[Jangler]

enlighten me

[MurkN]

3-5 fact

5tds 13 INTS fact

[jramsey4]

I am so sick and tired of hearing Fox is the most successful coach in the history of the Panthers!

Damn.........he's been here 8 out of 14 years you f**king morons!

John Fox is the most successful HC in our history. Said it again. I want him gone as bad as anyone but I also still think he is a good HC. If he could have gotten a Franchise QB we would be talking about him as the greatest Coach in the league (fan homerism but still). A great QB like Manning or Brady makes a coach look like a genius. Were a guy like Jake makes you look like a dumb ass.

[Kevin Greene]

We have failed - playing "not to lose" How many of those games do we lose? You just can't play that way in the NFL against the best teams in the game. I would have thought Fox would have figured that out by now...but after 7.5 years if he hasn't learned that, he never will. Foxball is a failure and needs to be forgotten and dumped into the trash heap.

Same thing happened yesterday in New York, Giants vs Chargers.

2 minutes to go 17-14 Giants. Giants have the ball 3rd and goal at the 9 yard line. What do they do, pass into the endzone for a possible game clinching touch down? No, they go Draw, fail, and kick a field goal to go up 20-14.

Rivers drives the Chargers down the field in under 2 minutes for a game winning touch down, 21-20 Chargers.

I would imagine the entire Giant team would have liked a realistic opportunity to put that game away.

[tight lines]

enlighten me

Because you have moved to irrational arguments that could just as easily prove my point as yours I never said the team was effective with the aggressive playcalling they have used a number of times this year.

[Jangler]

la de da you win the internets...Mr.Spock