The "Let's get a QB in the 1st round" group

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, Jared Patterson said:

So non QB people.... what the heck do y'all plan on doing at QB? We likely won't have a top 10 pick next year and the QB class isn't as good as this years.

Yep. Unless someone comes out of nowhere it looks like Sam Howell and a bunch of meh after that.

[FuFuLamePoo]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I will admit to pondering the question of if, for whatever pure fantasy of a reason you can come up with, Penei Sewell were to be available at our pick, would you take him over your favorite non Trevor Lawrence quarterback choice?

Yes, but I truly can't imagine any scenario in the world right now where the Bengals don't draft him. I think that's almost more of a lock than Lawrence to the Jets

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, bull123 said:

I’m not sold on him at all....and I didn’t know his arm had been knifed twice already

If you're not sold on his talent I'm not sure who you'd ever be sold on.

[jayflip]

21 minutes ago, bull123 said:

I’m not sold on him at all....and I didn’t know his arm had been knifed twice already

This means he’s a can’t miss prospect as I don’t recall you being right about any one thing on the Huddle. Like ever. Not even once lmao. 

[Tbe]

1 hour ago, imminent rogaine said:

but please don’t let us bypass legit talent just to get a guy that can get us 5 wins a year. 

There is zero point to having ‘legit talent’ if we’re fielding a QB that doesn’t scare people.

See CMC, Brian Burns, Luke Kuechly....

The choice here is simple. We take a chance on a QB or we commit to losing.

[pantherj]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That is obvious in hindsight, but it wasn't so obvious at the time.

Lots of talking heads and analysts were stumping for Gabbert in particular.

I hated Gabbert at the time. I was leaning toward Cam or trade down for A.J Green. 

[OldhamA]

1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

If you don’t get a QB this year, I think it will be an even longer rebuild. Most QBs take a good year to get up to the speed of the NFL. Next year is probably Teddy’s last year with us, so it makes too much sense to draft one and let Teddy start until he is ready. I’m not against trading down, but we would need to really like a Trask, Jones, or even Jamie Newman to do so. Aside from Howell, who are the big names in the 2022 draft?

 

We seem similar to the Dolphins last year. Competitive, but usually lose with a bunch of young players and Teddy has been streaky like Fitz. Rookie head coach who is looking to create a consistent winner. They drafted Tua and seem to be on the right track.

Jamie Newman didn't even play last year. How can you possibly recommend him?

[pantherj]

5 minutes ago, Tbe said:

There is zero point to having ‘legit talent’ if we’re fielding a QB that doesn’t scare people.

See CMC, Brian Burns, Luke Kuechly....

The choice here is simple. We take a chance on a QB or we commit to losing.

Teddy will take us to 8-8ish as the roster improves. Then we have to wait multiple seasons to accumulate enough talent to have a one shot "magic season" where the high level of talent on the roster drags Teddy deep into the playoffs.

OR

We land a superstar franchise QB and we have a shot at the SB most seasons during his reign.

OR

We whiff on our QB pick and he leads us to a terrible record.

AND

We draft another QB.

If it's up to me we draft a QB, and let the chips fall where they may. I already know what's going to happen in the Teddy scenario, and that's not good enough anymore.

[TheMaulClaw]

I think Wentz will probably be the best option for us. I know Im gonna get dumped on for that...but he will be better leaving Philly with the WRs we have.

It just wont happen because the likelihood of the team cutting Ted is nill.

In this case Id rather draft a guy in the second, because Lance, Jones, or Trask will fall.

I just think we will reach at QB at our current draft position...when we could take a real game changer.

[LinvilleGorge]

16 minutes ago, pantherj said:

I hated Gabbert at the time. I was leaning toward Cam or trade down for A.J Green. 

Yep. I hated Gabbert too. I was all in on Cam due to the new rookie salary scale. Had it been under the old scale of immediately paying the #1 pick like a future HOFer in his prime I would've been more hesitant. I knew Cam was boom or bust.

 

[bythenbrs]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I will admit to pondering the question of if, for whatever pure fantasy of a reason you can come up with, Penei Sewell were to be available at our pick, would you take him over your favorite non Trevor Lawrence quarterback choice?

Sewell.  Sewell today.  Sewell tomorrow.  You have to grab a potentially dominant LT when you have the chance unless Trevor is there.  Did I mention Sewell?

[Peon Awesome]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That is obvious in hindsight, but it wasn't so obvious at the time.

Lots of talking heads and analysts were stumping for Gabbert in particular.

This is a nice reminder for people who still don't get that rookie qbs are the biggest gamble in the NFL. Gabbert checked all the boxes; Wilson has more question marks coming in than he ever did.

I'm totally on board with drafting a qb if the organization is sold on them. If you've got a similar grade on a qb vs any other position, you take the qb and don't think about it. My main concern has always been against making a pick out of desperation. But I can only assume we'll have a high grade on at least 1 qb that will be available at our pick, and that's probably who we take. It will surely create a new found excitement in the team, but just keep in mind, there's a very real possibility we'll draft the latest Gabbert. Neither Wilson nor Lance are sure things. Not even close. 

[Tbe]

12 minutes ago, pantherj said:

Teddy will take us to 8-8ish as the roster improves. Then we have to wait multiple seasons to accumulate enough talent to have a one shot "magic season" where the high level of talent on the roster drags Teddy deep into the playoffs.

OR

We land a superstar franchise QB and we have a shot at the SB most seasons during his reign.

OR

We whiff on our QB pick and he leads us to a terrible record.

AND

We draft another QB.

If it's up to me we draft a QB, and let the chips fall where they may. I already know what's going to happen in the Teddy scenario, and that's not good enough anymore.

100%

There are no guarantees,  but the positional value is too high to not take chances when you can.
 

 

[Growl]

3 hours ago, Tbe said:

The only way that scenario works is if we are just as bad next year.

Trading down from #4 or #6 just to try to trade up from #10-13 next year would be pointless. 
 

We don’t have a shot at winning anything without a top QB.  That either takes luck or a lot of swings. QB purgatory is real. We need to take a swing every draft until we get someone.

This is the answer

if the QB busts... Who cares? Better to let Sam darnold lead you to trevor lawrence or Jimmy Clausen usher in cam Newton than to be imprisoned with Chad Pennington and "he just needs a few more weapons" indefinitely

What are we missing out on by pushing for a franchise QB? A "can't miss" CB or a DOMINATE 43 LB?

 

those things are the definition of replaceable, you can cobble those positions together pretty easily when you have your QB in place,