"Great Evaluator of talent"

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

OK OK OK OK you're an expert on Hedge Fund management. 

GIVE IT A REST. 

It's like an attachment to every post.  

Secondly I don't think he had the final say in Bridgewater but If you say so. 

He doesn't have any inside info.

Same as he did with his last alt though, he likes to act like he does.

[kungfoodude]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Rhule did actually share a few details about the acquisition of Bridgewater.

He mentioned specifically that not just Joe Brady but cornerback coach Evan Cooper helped recommend Bridgewater. I forget where Cooper knew him from, maybe his time with the Bears.

Granted, it sounds unusual to have a quarterback recommendation from a cornerback coach.

Yes but we don't know who the ultimate decision lied with nor who was most or more responsible. I would expect that most players get vetted at some level by people that the coaches or front office knows, much like hiring any employee. 

My point being this obsession with crediting or blaming X percent to Y person just doesn't make any sense. We literally don't know. If that information comes out, great. But it's largely idle speculation that just ends up mirroring whatever bias that the person has. 

We speculate plenty but that is just one of the more pointless ones to be so adamant about. I get discussing it but some people are so firmly rooted in an opinion that is literally based on no actual facts.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yes but we don't know who the ultimate decision lied with nor who was most or more responsible. I would expect that most players get vetted at some level by people that the coaches or front office knows, much like hiring any employee. 

My point being this obsession with crediting or blaming X percent to Y person just doesn't make any sense. We literally don't know. If that information comes out, great. But it's largely idle speculation that just ends up mirroring whatever bias that the person has. 

We speculate plenty but that is just one of the more pointless ones to be so adamant about. I get discussing it but some people are so firmly rooted in an opinion that is literally based on no actual facts.

With just about all of these things, there's stuff we know but a lot of stuff we don't.

In the end, the head coach and the GM are the guys who have to take the final responsibility. Certainly they have people supporting the decisions, but they're the ones that are tasked with making them.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

With just about all of these things, there's stuff we know but a lot of stuff we don't.

In the end, the head coach and the GM are the guys who have to take the final responsibility. Certainly they have people supporting the decisions, but they're the ones that are tasked with making them.

Yeah, and they ultimately take the blame. It's part of the job.

I just don't understand the, "WELL, I DIDN'T LIKE THIS GUY/MOVE SO IT WAS RHULE/HURNEY/TEPPER/BRADY/etc's FAULT!!!" We don't know. We. Literally. Don't. Know.

It isn't like the Cam move where we at least had some rumors long before that Tepper wasn't sold on him. That one you had at least SOME information to speculate on. Same with Steve Smith and Gettleman. 

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, and they ultimately take the blame. It's part of the job.

I just don't understand the, "WELL, I DIDN'T LIKE THIS GUY/MOVE SO IT WAS RHULE/HURNEY/TEPPER/BRADY/etc's FAULT!!!" We don't know. We. Literally. Don't. Know.

It isn't like the Cam move where we at least had some rumors long before that Tepper wasn't sold on him. That one you had at least SOME information to speculate on. Same with Steve Smith and Gettleman. 

Even guys who are good at their job still make bad moves. Likewise, even guys who suck at their job occasionally do something right.

Only thing I can tell you is that from what I've read, Matt Rhule has a "big voice" in personnel right now, and I fully expect the next GM to be somebody he chooses.

How that's going to work out? No idea.

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Even guys who are good at their job still make bad moves. Likewise, even guys who suck at their job occasionally do something right.

Only thing I can tell you is that from what I've read, Matt Rhule has a "big voice" in personnel right now, and I fully expect the next GM to be somebody he chooses.

How that's going to work out? No idea.

Yeah, we keep hearing that and it very much concerns me. There aren't many Parcells or Belichick's where you can give them massive amounts of personnel control and it show long term success. 

I wasn't sold on Rhule as a coach and even though he clearly has a learning curve in the NFL, I'll say I am impressed so far. Let's hope Rhule the GM would be equally as surprising. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, we keep hearing that and it very much concerns me. There aren't many Parcells or Belichick's where you can give them massive amounts of personnel control and it show long term success. 

I wasn't sold on Rhule as a coach and even though he clearly has a learning curve in the NFL, I'll say I am impressed so far. Let's hope Rhule the GM would be equally as surprising. 

When he answered interview questions about what it would take to get him to jump to the NFL, Rhule cited a setup like what Bill Belichick has. Belichick doesn't have the title or the daily duties of a GM, but the Patriots approach is very clearly "coach centric". Person's recent article jibed with that.

I won't be surprised if we have a similar setup in the near future, maybe even next year.

Rhule sure as hell doesn't have enough experience or success at the pro level to justify that, but he'll likely get it anyway if Tepper has enough faith in him. 

(the length of Rhule's contract and the size of his paychecks would lend to the idea that he does)

I guess you just gotta hope that he's really that damn good.

[kungfoodude]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

When he answered interview questions about what it would take to get him to jump to the NFL, Rhule cited a setup like what Bill Belichick has. Belichick doesn't have the title or the daily duties of a GM, but the Patriots approach is very clearly "coach centric". Person's recent article jibed with that.

I won't be surprised if we have a similar setup in the near future, maybe even next year.

Rhule sure as hell doesn't have enough experience or success at the pro level to justify that, but he'll likely get it anyway if Tepper has enough faith in him. 

(the length of Rhule's contract and the size of his paychecks would lend to the idea that he does)

I guess you just gotta hope that he's really that damn good.

Yeah, I hope he is. Remember it was Bill's time in Cleveland that made him what he is. I'd hate for us to be the Browns to wherever he ends up afterwards if he is the next Belichick. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, I hope he is. Remember it was Bill's time in Cleveland that made him what he is. I'd hate for us to be the Browns to wherever he ends up afterwards if he is the next Belichick. 

I'm not a big fan of giving unproven guys that kind of power. It reminds me of the huge contracts they used to give quarterbacks right out of college.

But I guess that was what it was going to take to get Rhule, and Rhule was who Tepper wanted, so here we are.

I really hope they're both right, because otherwise we've got some long seasons ahead of us.

[SizzleBuzz]

45 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

He doesn't have any inside info.

What are the insiders saying?

Anything on the timing and/or names for a new GM?

[DaveThePanther2008]

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, I hope he is. Remember it was Bill's time in Cleveland that made him what he is. I'd hate for us to be the Browns to wherever he ends up afterwards if he is the next Belichick. 

Belichek never had the contract term Rhule has.  I am always on the side of the coach when it comes to drafting players.  I think some GMs have a complex that they know what a team needs.  They draft strange picks and make the coach deal with their picks.

Rhule did well in 2020 and I expect him to do the same in 2021. 

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, SizzleBuzz said:

What are the insiders saying?

Anything on the timing and/or names for a new GM?

There's a discussion of everything that's known right now in the Joe Person talks about Marty Hurney thread.

[kungfoodude]

10 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Belichek never had the contract term Rhule has.  I am always on the side of the coach when it comes to drafting players.  I think some GMs have a complex that they know what a team needs.  They draft strange picks and make the coach deal with their picks.

Rhule did well in 2020 and I expect him to do the same in 2021. 

No but often those failures(especially when they didn't think they got a fair shake) can propel certain individuals to greatness. You learn a lot by failing. 

A GM and coach should have a symbiotic relationship. Otherwise it will just end in tears.......like it has here a bunch.....

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Belichek never had the contract term Rhule has.  I am always on the side of the coach when it comes to drafting players.  I think some GMs have a complex that they know what a team needs.  They draft strange picks and make the coach deal with their picks.

Rhule did well in 2020 and I expect him to do the same in 2021. 

Depends on the coach. Rhule might prove trustworthy, but I sure as hell wouldn't want Ron Rivera in on my personnel decisions.

Some coaches and GMs like to work closely together (I know Gettleman and Rivera did). Others don't, though. Andy Reid for example refers personnel questions to Brett Veach, saying that's not his area. Kind of surprising for a guy that's as accomplished and respected as Reid is.

Floyd Reese once said that a lot of personnel guys hate when coaches try to get involved in the scouting process. His reason was that scouts are trained to look at the whole picture whereas coaches often fall in love with a player based on a single highlight or highlight reel.