"Great Evaluator of talent"

[kungfoodude]

4 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Agreed we released a lot of players and lost Luke on top of it.  We also addressed those positions in Free Agency and these rookies still made it to the field.  I don't count Robinson because he only played like 3 snaps but the other 6 have substantial playing time.  While they aren't pro bowlers they are in there learning and will pay dividends down the road. 

Name me a draft Hurney had prior to this season where he came remotely close to the performance of this draft class.  You won't find one. Rhule has a particular traits he wants on this team.  IMO each of the players that we picked in 2020 fit that mold. 

I said "Obviously Rhule didn't slam his fist down and say I want this player but he had targeted players that he wanted.  IMO the draft team agreed with Rhule and drafted those that he wanted."  Never did I say that he was the sole one deciding the pick but he was a major influence.  It's about absurd to believe that Hurney was the reason we picked these players.

I'm ok with you believing Hurney magic was behind 2020 draft class.  I don't nor won't believe Hurney picked these players.  Rhule had a major say and Hurney called the pick in.  My point will be made in 2021 when we draft another good crop of players. 

I kind of agree that although our draft class looks good on the surface, the reason all of them played is because we stripped our roster bare. I don't think guys like Roy, Pride, STO would be playing and Kenny Robinson isn't. I don't know if this is a good or bad thing, we'll find out in 3-4 years.

Brown, Chinn and YGM were obviously pretty strong choices. Chinn appears to be a HR out of the gate.

[Martin]

10 hours ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

Lol I said this poo the entire draft process. I said Brown would be good, but not worth the #7 pick. Seems like a very fair assessment so far. Also, Vernon Butler is currently dominating in Buffalo

I’ve only watched a little bit of the Bills playing, but I think you and I have a different definition of dominating. Butler has 9 solo tackles (18 in total) and 1 forced fumble this season.

[OneBadCat]

7 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Remind me. Who was responsible for quarterback depth behind Newton?

And please. the argument that Marty gets any credit for 2015 is one of the stupidest things that's ever been posted on this board.

Marty's MO has always been to draft good players in the first round and then build a sh-t roster around them. That's why the most successful period in team history came when he wasn't building the roster.

If the starting QB goes down then the season is lost for 90 percent of teams. The 2015 squad without the best players on the team doesn’t sniff the SB.

And you’re right. That’s why Rhule is building the roster now. If they keep signing FA and drafting like they did in 2020 then we’ll be fine.

[Mr. Scot]

25 minutes ago, OneBadCat said:

If the starting QB goes down then the season is lost for 90 percent of teams. The 2015 squad without the best players on the team doesn’t sniff the SB.

And you’re right. That’s why Rhule is building the roster now. If they keep signing FA and drafting like they did in 2020 then we’ll be fine.

Every crappy team in the league has great players on it from years of high draft picks, same as we did.

And with a GM like Marty building the roster, those teams will have mediocre to lousy seasons 11 out of 14 years, same as we did.

If you can look at that success rate and say "this guy is worth keeping around", your standards are way lower than mine.

Personally, mediocrity doesn't excite me.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

Why in the world would any fan of the Panthers be defending a GM that has a record of one winning season for every five years on the job?

Mediocrity doesn't begin to describe how bad that is.

[DaveThePanther2008]

I think the most frustrating things are.  We fired a guy with a couple winning seasons only to bring him back to give us more losing seasons. I never really understood why JR brought him back.  It's gotta be because DG pissed him off so JR brought back his yes man. 

But what really gets me is Tepper retaining him.  The only thing I can think of is Hurney contract was almost up and Tepper has time to evaluate his position.  Then again he's be relegated to an advisor role as I believe Rhule has final say on our picks.

Finally is the idea that Tepper will retain him in some capacity.  For crying out loud just cut free and move on.  I hate that every off season we pray the GM is gone only to see he's still in there. 

Drive's me insane and well as many of you... I assume.

 

[NanuqoftheNorth]

Mediocrity is something Marty Hurney aspires to.

 

[Shotgun]

14 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Why in the world would any fan of the Panthers be defending a GM that has a record of one winning season for every five years on the job?

Mediocrity doesn't begin to describe how bad that is.

I agree, when Hurney was brought back it did more to hurt my fanship than any other thing this franchise has ever done. But at this point I'm done blaming Hurney, our failures are on Tepper and Rhule.  

[Shotgun]

2 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Mediocrity is something Marty Hurney aspires to.

 

Then he fits this organization like a glove.

[DaveThePanther2008]

3 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

I agree, when Hurney was brought back it did more to hurt my fanship than any other thing this franchise has ever done. But at this point I'm done blaming Hurney, our failures are on Tepper and Rhule.  

You can blame Tepper for holding on to him and any picks starting 2020 on Rhule.   Of course on the field decisions need to improve for Rhule.

[MasterAwesome]

2 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

You can blame Tepper for holding on to him and any picks starting 2020 on Rhule.   Of course on the field decisions need to improve for Rhule.

Just curious, do you think Rhule was in charge of the draft and Hurney was in charge of FA?  Or do you think Rhule had final say on both?

[NanuqoftheNorth]

3 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

I agree, when Hurney was brought back it did more to hurt my fanship than any other thing this franchise has ever done. But at this point I'm done blaming Hurney, our failures are on Tepper and Rhule.  

I'm not sure a first year head coach has anything to do with it but, as the owner, Dave Tepper should definitely be held accountable for the continued employment of Marty Hurney.

 

[DaveThePanther2008]

2 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Just curious, do you think Rhule was in charge of the draft and Hurney was in charge of FA?  Or do you think Rhule had final say on both?

Good Question.  Draft picks has more to do getting player to fit Rhule's mold.  Free Agents have more to do with what we have to spend on Free Agents.  Hurney probably said these are the players we can afford and was a mutual agreement.

I get your point though. 

[Shotgun]

10 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

I'm not sure a first year head coach has anything to do with it but, as the owner, Dave Tepper should definitely be held accountable for the continued employment of Marty Hurney.

 

Rhule could of vetoed the Teddy move but didn't so he deserves plenty of blame.