"Great Evaluator of talent"

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, ladypanther said:

Just read that Marty has been GM for 15 seasons...ugh. 9 of those were losing seasons.

Change is way overdue.

Only four actual winning seasons, one of which Marty can't take credit for because he wasn't hired till the offseason work was done.

Oy...

[micnificent28]

Are we still over the moon about brown or has the majority come to the consensus he was pretty expensive for what we are getting from him.   

[Cpt slay a ho]

15 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

I don't know if you remember the 2018 draft. "Thomas was the hidden Gem in the TE class"  The perfect fit to learn under Olsen and take over when he left.  He had two years behind Olsen.   Olsen was mentoring him since he wasn't seeing the field.  Thomas is a bust as far as not fill the expectation he was drafted for.  Granted he was a 4th round but some talking heads had him as one of the best TE in that class. 

Rhule recruited players at both Temple and Baylor that were fast an athletic.  It's a formula that works for him.   I don't why you would believe that Hurney hit a grand slam on a draft for the first time in his career and the players fit Rhule's mold. 

 

9 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Nowhere did I ever say this was a grand slam but how many times in our history have all 7 players drafted made the field(granted Robinson only a few plays) the same year they were drafted.  I didn't go back and look but I probably can safely say.  NEVER.  

Obviously Rhule didn't slam his fist down and say I want this player but he had targeted players that he wanted.  IMO the draft team agreed with Rhule and drafted those that he wanted.  

Tepper hired Rhule to build this team as he see fit. To allow Hurney pick the players, based on his past performance, would be counterproductive.  I am going to predict that our draft choices in 2021 are going to be similar type of players.  Athletic, Smart and Fast.

You’re Rick jamesing yourself. 

we released any and everyone this past offseason, Some of these guys see the field because we have no choice or alternative, that does not make them a draft hit. 

what you are insinuating that Rhule was able to single handily orchestrate the recent draft is just absurd, and based off of what exactly ? Please don’t mention one of those god awful “I’m lying straight to your face” interviews. 

 

 

[NanuqoftheNorth]

5 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Only four actual winning seasons, one of which Marty can't take credit for because he wasn't hired till the offseason work was done.

Oy...

Just to be clear, Hurney has had just 3 winning seasons in 15 years.

Again, why is Marty still receiving a paycheck from the Panthers?

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Just to be clear, Hurney has had just 3 winning seasons in 15 years.

Again, why is Marty still receiving a paycheck from the Panthers?

I acknowledged that he doesn't get credit for 2017.

Basically, Marty hasn't built a winning roster since 2008.

[stbugs]

5 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Only four actual winning seasons, one of which Marty can't take credit for because he wasn't hired till the offseason work was done.

Oy...

Yep. He did barely anything in 2017. Draft and FA were already over. Heck even TD said his extension was already done too.

We went from 4 out of 5 playoffs to 16-29 with Marty.

[FuFuLamePoo]

3 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

Are we still over the moon about brown or has the majority come to the consensus he was pretty expensive for what we are getting from him.   

Lol I said this poo the entire draft process. I said Brown would be good, but not worth the #7 pick. Seems like a very fair assessment so far. Also, Vernon Butler is currently dominating in Buffalo

[MHS831]

[OneBadCat]

I know Hurney has his faults but I think he’s better than the huddle gives him credit for. 
 

Hurney 2.0 has been better. And you can give him credit for assembling two super bowl rosters.
 

Look if Cam doesn’t get hurt. Then the 2017-2019 Panthers are deep playoff contenders in-spite of Ron Rivera.You can’t game plan for that. poo happens 

And if Hurney was never fired you can bet your ass we’d still have Smitty and Gross together in 2015. 
 

I know he shelled out big bucks to players past their prime. But his drafts have been no worse than Gettlemans. He’s always been money in the first round. He’s paired well with Rhule calling the shots. I know he isn’t the best but there is a reason he hangs around aside from his people skills 

[Mr. Scot]

50 minutes ago, OneBadCat said:

I know Hurney has his faults but I think he’s better than the huddle gives him credit for. 

Hurney 2.0 has been better. And you can give him credit for assembling two super bowl rosters.

Look if Cam doesn’t get hurt. Then the 2017-2019 Panthers are deep playoff contenders in-spite of Ron Rivera.You can’t game plan for that. poo happens 

And if Hurney was never fired you can bet your ass we’d still have Smitty and Gross together in 2015. 

I know he shelled out big bucks to players past their prime. But his drafts have been no worse than Gettlemans. He’s always been money in the first round. He’s paired well with Rhule calling the shots. I know he isn’t the best but there is a reason he hangs around aside from his people skills 

Hurney gets credit for one Super Bowl roster. No GM gets credit for a roster that was built three years after he was fired. That's just stupid.

And "2.0" hasn't even produced a winning season, so don't even start with that crap.

[OneBadCat]

39 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Hurney gets credit for one Super Bowl roster. No GM gets credit for a roster that was built three years after he was fired. That's just stupid.

And "2.0" hasn't even produced a winning season, so don't even start with that crap.

And why didn’t we win the second time around?  Cam got hurt that’s why. If you’re QB goes down it’s over. Hell if Cam doesn’t get hurt then Ron is still probably here.
 

Hurney drafted the impact players on the 2015 roster. Cam, Luke, Kalil, TD, Norman, Charles Johnson, Stewart, Ted Ginn came back because Hurney brought him on in the first place. Ron leaned on the stars because he couldn’t scheme and Gettlemen blew all his 2016 picks trying to replace Norman. 
 

Gettleman was a change of pace. Overall he wasn’t any better. Though I’ll grant Richardson butting heads with him and the effects. Best thing he ever did though was double dip on Star and KK. Im not saying Hurney is great but he’s not the worst in the league. The Panthers have been a pretty competitive franchise in their history. Tepper made it pretty clear he’s relegated Marty to what he does best.

The last draft was great and FA signings were solid aside from TB. The ship looks like it’s being righted and we’d have a winning record with a better QB. As long as we continue that trend then this team will be great again real soon.

[DaveThePanther2008]

5 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

 

You’re Rick jamesing yourself. 

we released any and everyone this past offseason, Some of these guys see the field because we have no choice or alternative, that does not make them a draft hit. 

what you are insinuating that Rhule was able to single handily orchestrate the recent draft is just absurd, and based off of what exactly ? Please don’t mention one of those god awful “I’m lying straight to your face” interviews. 

 

 

Agreed we released a lot of players and lost Luke on top of it.  We also addressed those positions in Free Agency and these rookies still made it to the field.  I don't count Robinson because he only played like 3 snaps but the other 6 have substantial playing time.  While they aren't pro bowlers they are in there learning and will pay dividends down the road. 

Name me a draft Hurney had prior to this season where he came remotely close to the performance of this draft class.  You won't find one. Rhule has a particular traits he wants on this team.  IMO each of the players that we picked in 2020 fit that mold. 

I said "Obviously Rhule didn't slam his fist down and say I want this player but he had targeted players that he wanted.  IMO the draft team agreed with Rhule and drafted those that he wanted."  Never did I say that he was the sole one deciding the pick but he was a major influence.  It's about absurd to believe that Hurney was the reason we picked these players.

I'm ok with you believing Hurney magic was behind 2020 draft class.  I don't nor won't believe Hurney picked these players.  Rhule had a major say and Hurney called the pick in.  My point will be made in 2021 when we draft another good crop of players. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, OneBadCat said:

And why didn’t we win the second time around?  Cam got hurt that’s why. If you’re QB goes down it’s over. Hell if Cam doesn’t get hurt then Ron is still probably here.
 

Hurney drafted the impact players on the 2015 roster. Cam, Luke, Kalil, TD, Norman, Charles Johnson, Stewart, Ted Ginn came back because Hurney brought him on in the first place. Ron leaned on the stars because he couldn’t scheme and Gettlemen blew all his 2016 picks trying to replace Norman. 
 

Gettleman was a change of pace. Overall he wasn’t any better. Though I’ll grant Richardson butting heads with him and the effects. Best thing he ever did though was double dip on Star and KK. Im not saying Hurney is great but he’s not the worst in the league. The Panthers have been a pretty competitive franchise in their history. Tepper made it pretty clear he’s relegated Marty to what he does best.

The last draft was great and FA signings were solid aside from TB. The ship looks like it’s being righted and we’d have a winning record with a better QB. As long as we continue that trend then this team will be great again real soon.

Remind me. Who was responsible for quarterback depth behind Newton?

And please. the argument that Marty gets any credit for 2015 is one of the stupidest things that's ever been posted on this board.

Marty's MO has always been to draft good players in the first round and then build a sh-t roster around them. That's why the most successful period in team history came when he wasn't building the roster.

[Cpt slay a ho]

3 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Agreed we released a lot of players and lost Luke on top of it.  We also addressed those positions in Free Agency and these rookies still made it to the field.  I don't count Robinson because he only played like 3 snaps but the other 6 have substantial playing time.  While they aren't pro bowlers they are in there learning and will pay dividends down the road. 

Name me a draft Hurney had prior to this season where he came remotely close to the performance of this draft class.  You won't find one. Rhule has a particular traits he wants on this team.  IMO each of the players that we picked in 2020 fit that mold. 

I said "Obviously Rhule didn't slam his fist down and say I want this player but he had targeted players that he wanted.  IMO the draft team agreed with Rhule and drafted those that he wanted."  Never did I say that he was the sole one deciding the pick but he was a major influence.  It's about absurd to believe that Hurney was the reason we picked these players.

I'm ok with you believing Hurney magic was behind 2020 draft class.  I don't nor won't believe Hurney picked these players.  Rhule had a major say and Hurney called the pick in.  My point will be made in 2021 when we draft another good crop of players. 

That’s easy 08 draft or the 02 draft either one is better rn than the current draft class but either way it’s short sighted for me to say that after this draft class has only played 13 games with most not even playing in all the games this season. 

a guy hired in Jan as a first time hc played a significant role in the draft only 3 months later? There’s more to the draft than just listing players that fit his mold, what if a player he listed is taken by another team ? Trades ? He didn’t even have his full staff on board til early February. Rhule played a role but to give him majority the credit for the draft when that’s a common practice for hc’s to give there gm suggestions is a flat out stretch, one thing I’m not doing is giving hurney over praise just to slight Rhule like you’re doing with Rhule.