"Great Evaluator of talent"

[Cpt slay a ho]

1 hour ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

I don't know if you remember the 2018 draft. "Thomas was the hidden Gem in the TE class"  The perfect fit to learn under Olsen and take over when he left.  He had two years behind Olsen.   Olsen was mentoring him since he wasn't seeing the field.  Thomas is a bust as far as not fill the expectation he was drafted for.  Granted he was a 4th round but some talking heads had him as one of the best TE in that class. 

Rhule recruited players at both Temple and Baylor that were fast an athletic.  It's a formula that works for him.   I don't why you would believe that Hurney hit a grand slam on a draft for the first time in his career and the players fit Rhule's mold. 

Yeah your standards for an 4th rd pick is astronomical, thinking a 4th rd te could fill olsen shoes was a stretch that’s just reality. We’re calling 4th round picks bust cause they couldn’t replace a hof te that’s just high standards 

Calling the 2020 draft a grand slam after 13 games is short sighted, I don’t know why you believed a first time nfl hc is as able to orchestrate a nfl draft with such limited experience and especially on the defensive side of the ball. A collab effort is more likely than giving Rhule full credit for this draft 

[Car123]

4 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Thomas is garbage.  He was supposed to be Olsen's replacement and he's done nothing. Not even close.  The only reason he's on the roster is because our TE situation is about as bad as our QB situation.

Pride and Roy are rookies and have been in the line-up.  Compared to Thomas they contributed more than he has in 3 years. 

I'd give you rhe argument on Miller.  I actually thought he played well in his rookie season but being out he may be an odd man out on this roster.  I hope he returns and plays well.  

And there is no source saying Rhule wasn't the main person behind this draft.  That said, Rhule said he would draft athletic fast players.  Most of the players we drafted fit Rhule's mold.  This is why I contend that he had more to do with the players we selected than Marty "I gotta reach for one player every draft" Hurney. 

Sources say Hurney was behind the draft.

[kungfoodude]

5 hours ago, PantherPhann89 said:

Whether you like/dislike or just lumping yourself in on the say something negative about Hurney every post thread..Greg Little checked all the boxes of what we needed then. It was a good pick!

 

5. Greg Little, Ole Miss

6. Yodny Cajuste, West Virginia

Little has all the talent in the world, and the size, girth, and length basically every team looks for in a 10-year stud at left tackle. You watch his film, and you see quarters and quarters of lockdown play on the left side. Then, two or three rough plays hit when he lunges and gets off balance, or is overwhelmed by power or a good counter move. With a little more strength and fine-tuning with his technique, Little can be a solid left tackle for a long time in the NFL. 

 

[OldhamA]

7 hours ago, TikTOK said:

Because we have a hedge fund billionaire running the show. If you know anything about investing in stocks you will know why this franchise under Tepper is how it is. Buying shares for cheap in hopes of gaining more in the future. Hurney is that cheap share. Only problem is, Hurney was fired once before. 

He bought the team for $2.2bn.

He didn't get anything on the cheap. Hurney is a figurehead who's being slowly phased out - they couldn't get the guy they wanted last year, probably because he wouldn't agree to not having full control over the Draft.

This is Rhule's ship. Any GM is there to handle day-to-day logistics of running the franchise.

[Jmac]

The bottom line...

This is the only NFL team that would retain the GM after seasons of ineptitude and bad signings.

 New ownership and coaching  staff, plus a almost complete turnover of personal... the GM is still here.

Anyone really suprised that many positions of need are not adequately addressed, (such as TE after Olsen left). Bad contracts/extensions sucking the $$$ out of the cap space.

Always two steps forward and three steps back with this team.

 

[stbugs]

8 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Did you see his combine. It was horrible. His footwork was terrible, his reaction speed terrible, he looked like a pig on ice skates. He didn't look like a late round tackle. 

I think you meant to say “did look like a late round tackle” and I don’t mean to keep piling on but you hit a great point. Little was a solid college tackle although the SEC didn’t have much edge rush wise that year. If you didn’t know anything about him and just watched the combine you would have thought project. Late round like Daley. He’s got the size but he’s clearly not as athletic, ready and strong as the top guys but maybe you take a late round flier on him. You do not give up two picks that are the same value as a late first round pick for him. Marty mentioned they went analytics heavy (PFF) in 2019, probably after missing so badly on Gaulden and Little was beloved by PFF and unfortunately analytics doesn’t watch the combine and go ooh, we got it wrong on this guy.

[stbugs]

16 minutes ago, Jmac said:

The bottom line...

This is the only NFL team that would retain the GM after seasons of ineptitude and bad signings.

 New ownership and coaching  staff, plus a almost complete turnover of personal... the GM is still here.

Anyone really suprised that many positions of need are not adequately addressed, (such as TE after Olsen left). Bad contracts/extensions sucking the $$$ out of the cap space.

Always two steps forward and three steps back with this team.

 

Yep. We were 11-5 in 2017 when he was hired back after Gettleman ran the draft/FA period. Marty ran two drafts and pre-2020 we were considered one of the least talented rosters. That’s a really quick drop and we spent to the cap on a lot of FAs for nothing. Marty hired Rhule which was a great thing as I think the coaches are the main reason why the team is playing above expectations. Problem is it should have been obvious that we needed a good young QB and we should have maximized comp picks and cap space to rollover. We tried to win again when we were basically the worst team in our division let alone the NFC.

[DaveThePanther2008]

4 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Yeah your standards for an 4th rd pick is astronomical, thinking a 4th rd te could fill olsen shoes was a stretch that’s just reality. We’re calling 4th round picks bust cause they couldn’t replace a hof te that’s just high standards 

Calling the 2020 draft a grand slam after 13 games is short sighted, I don’t know why you believed a first time nfl hc is as able to orchestrate a nfl draft with such limited experience and especially on the defensive side of the ball. A collab effort is more likely than giving Rhule full credit for this draft 

Nowhere did I ever say this was a grand slam but how many times in our history have all 7 players drafted made the field(granted Robinson only a few plays) the same year they were drafted.  I didn't go back and look but I probably can safely say.  NEVER.  

Obviously Rhule didn't slam his fist down and say I want this player but he had targeted players that he wanted.  IMO the draft team agreed with Rhule and drafted those that he wanted.  

Tepper hired Rhule to build this team as he see fit. To allow Hurney pick the players, based on his past performance, would be counterproductive.  I am going to predict that our draft choices in 2021 are going to be similar type of players.  Athletic, Smart and Fast.

[Toomers]

1 hour ago, stbugs said:

I think you meant to say “did look like a late round tackle” and I don’t mean to keep piling on but you hit a great point. Little was a solid college tackle although the SEC didn’t have much edge rush wise that year. If you didn’t know anything about him and just watched the combine you would have thought project. Late round like Daley. He’s got the size but he’s clearly not as athletic, ready and strong as the top guys but maybe you take a late round flier on him. You do not give up two picks that are the same value as a late first round pick for him. Marty mentioned they went analytics heavy (PFF) in 2019, probably after missing so badly on Gaulden and Little was beloved by PFF and unfortunately analytics doesn’t watch the combine and go ooh, we got it wrong on this guy.

  I still don’t get what PFF saw in his overall play on the field to begin with. But I rarely do with their evaluations. The combine was just a confirmation of the regression he showed over 3 years. Lack of effort leading to constant waist-bending seemed to be ignored because he was supposed to be great as a 5star recruit. 
 

   Even on the evaluation posted in this thread, the next LT(Cajuste) went 60+ picks later. The whole LT class was bad that year. But no one wanted to hear that. 

[SizzleBuzz]

3 hours ago, OldhamA said:

He bought the team for $2.2bn.

He didn't get anything on the cheap. Hurney is a figurehead who's being slowly phased out - they couldn't get the guy they wanted last year, probably because he wouldn't agree to not having full control over the Draft.

This is Rhule's ship. Any GM is there to handle day-to-day logistics of running the franchise.

Curious who the rumored guy was last year?

Tom Glick has already been hired to run day-to-day logistics.

The reality of it is Tepper is playing a real life game of fantasy football --- the good news is he has the intellect & bankroll to be very successful at it --- no way he cedes ultimate decision making control to someone dumber than him.

[Panther Believer]

PERFECT, one more thread to help me understand why Hurney is bad lol

[stbugs]

4 hours ago, Toomers said:

Even on the evaluation posted in this thread, the next LT(Cajuste) went 60+ picks later. The whole LT class was bad that year. But no one wanted to hear that. 

That’s where Marty is at his worst. Reaching for need when it’s the wrong draft. Tackles were 2019 and IOL was 2018. We ignore IOL completely and spent late first round value on a 2018 tackle and it 100% hurt out talent level. We might have not had Brown but our OL could have been 1 extension and 1 guard away from a top OL.

[ladypanther]

Just read that Marty has been GM for 15 seasons...ugh. 9 of those were losing seasons.

Change is way overdue.

[Pimpdaddy]

16 hours ago, DeSim said:

Honestly, how many of this threads are needed?

Hurney sucks, we all know that...

..i never get tired of calling him fk stick...