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Fire Marty hurney again

Beerfacedlegend

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Mr. Scot Grand Master

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17 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Most don't get second chances with a different team, much less with the same team.  

I can't think of it happening much with any sports organization.  Maybe the Yankees.  I know Steinbrenner hired and fired Billy Martin several times, not sure about others in the front office.  

I remember the Billy Martin thing, but nothing quite like it in football.

And actually, a lot of guys get second chances in football, just not in the same job (Dave Gettleman being an exception).

The NFL recycles personnel guys and coaches pretty frequently. Ryan Grigson, Floyd Reese and Jeff Ireland among others all got other personnel jobs after being fired as GMs. Heck, Martin Mayhew - the guy who presided over the Lions 0-16 season - is a senior personnel executive with the 49ers.

That's one of the reasons why it stands out that even after five years nobody was willing to give Marty Hurney a look as even a low level scout.

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1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Bingo. I was about to say, if anything I'd be looking to replicate the Steelers' approach seeing as how they've been so successful and all. It always seems like we're perpetually building for a future that never arrives.

I think that's most teams. I honestly really wish we wouldn't emulate anyone and just build. Build till we get the right mix. 

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2 hours ago, amcoolio said:

We have 67 million in dead cap, over half of it from Dave Gettleman contracts. You can't compete with 35% of your salary cap wiped away by players not playing for the team. How you guys are upset we didn't make the playoffs is beyond me. We never were this year or next with so much dead money on the cap.

Over half? Kalil is $9.8M. Cam is $2M. Turner is on there due to Marty's trade. Luke is on there for his restructure bonus from Marty. Short will be on next year because Marty should have tossed him this year. The other "large" ones are Reid, Roberts, Apple, Gano, Poe and Olsen. So while you want to blame Gettleman, outside of Kalil and Cam that were good cap moves IMHO, the rest were squarely based on either contracts Marty wrote or his decision to restructure/trade.

Also, according to Sportrac, dead cap this year is $52M.

Gettleman has been gone for 3 years now. Trying to blame him for cap space issues when $12M of the top 10 dead cap hits ~$45M (tons of rookie/min dead caps listed) is working way too hard to make Marty look competent.

Kalil was a bad deal, but he cost us only $25M in cap space that's been spread over 4 years, hardly a big deal. We spent $26.5M this year to get 6 games out of Okung and a tackle or two out of Short. Another $13M for no value from Roberts, Weatherly and Apple. Throw on top of that $42M this year and next to a mediocre QB who only lessened out chance to get a real franchise QB.

Complaining about $52M in dead cap, when we threw away $81M in cap to "compete" is rich. We agree on one thing, we weren't going to compete this year, we all knew it, but some bought into the ridiculous Teddy hype. Unfortunately, we spent like we could compete and now instead of having a good young core extended for the next 4-5 years and tons of cap, we are going to lose young players and barely scrape by again.

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3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

If there is another incident in NFL history where a team rehired a failed GM, I don't know of it.

Jerry Richardson...

No gm in the history of the nfl that has been fired then rehired by the same team has ever produces a wining season record. I just made that up but I bet it true. 

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1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Bingo. I was about to say, if anything I'd be looking to replicate the Steelers' approach seeing as how they've been so successful and all. It always seems like we're perpetually building for a future that never arrives.

Our issue lately is thinking that we were the Steelers and that we were still competitive so reaching in the draft as if we needed 1 position and continuing to sign short term FAs and most of them don't help, obviously since we are 16-28 the last 3 years.

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Im the rare type that when Marty makes a good pick/signing/etc, I give credit.

Same for when hes makes a bad/dumb/awful moves, I call that out.

The issue is I do faar more calling out.

Plus I also do not wait for a result, I understand the meaning of smart move that doesnt workout. Example would be Gerald McCoy. Paradis is going form great-dogshit-ok-???.

My issues with Marty go beyond draft picks, its the whole picture=FA signing, resigning current players, depth, value contracts, roster players 9 - 68, predicting the future,  maintaining a winning record, knowing when to hold, fold and run etc etc. 

 

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I am the biggest Hurney hater and usually my evaluations are very pessemstic; however, he will not return as the GM next year and its very obvious. The Panthers ran an article on Samir Suleiman. Samir is the cap guy from the Steelers and may even take over. There have been no stories, press interviews or anything with Hurney. He hasn't spoken with any agents or players as well. I truly think he moves on from his GM role, but sticks around in some form or fashion. Many people as well such as Albert Breer claim we will likely be searching for a GM. Hurney manages to stick around no matter what, but I think its finally coming to an end. At least as a gm LOL.

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