Article from Panthers on next year and the cap “Room to Work”

[thefuzz]

Just think if we had pulled the band aid off last off season, and focused everything on the future?

We would be sitting beautifully.

Instead, we get to fight this battle with one hand behind our back.  (and if Hurney is running the show, with two eyes out as well)

[BrianS]

4 minutes ago, shaqattaq said:

I read it as... We're going to draft a QB if the right guy is there, but if we have to roll with Teddy again in 2021, we're OK with that.

"That's not to say they won't scout this year's incoming class of quarterbacks, but there's a general sense that Bridgewater is capable of leading the team if the right option doesn't present itself in the draft."

Don't try to read anything in to what the team says in regards to a draft.  The team is (or should be) actively trying to conceal their draft plans and mislead other teams into reading the situation incorrectly.

We need a QB, and it's pretty hard to hide that.  The contract we have for TB5 is actually the perfect contract.  We are truly stuck with him only until after next season, but if "our guy" needs an extra season to mature, we can keep TB until 2022.  I don't see a scenario where we wait until 2022 to find our guy.  That puts power back in TB's hands.  The way things are set right now, we need to find our guy this offseason, use 2021 to figure out how long he needs to be ready, and then leverage TB's contract to make that happen.

[shaqattaq]

5 minutes ago, DeSim said:

Yup, read it as that as well...if the guy they want for a QB isn't there, they'll pick the best player available, not mad at that...I just hope it's a OL or another defensive player.

Specifically, if Parsons is there or Sewell drops that far, it would hard to pass up for the 4th or 5th best QB (depending on our board). Hard to have this conversation with 4 game left in the season. AFT proved anything can happen any game.

[shaqattaq]

1 hour ago, X-Clown said:

3 hours ago, bull123 said:

saints never seem to have any cap issues....we need to figure it out

lol, yes they do. They've been able to dig out of them by drafting well and restructuring, trading, etc.

That bill on that solid AF 2017 draft is finally coming due. They really nailed that draft.

[shaqattaq]

42 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

I could see Gettleman up in NY scooping him up this offseason honestly. 

His cap numbers for 2021 are almost the same as ours, and he already has Shepherd, who plays a similar role IMO, under contract. But I gave up trying to guess what Gettleman was going to do years ago, lol.

[SetfreexX]

3 hours ago, Zod said:

What is Hurney's job exactly?

Post Draft Press Conference ''seat filler''

[Ricky Spanish]

3 minutes ago, shaqattaq said:

His cap numbers for 2021 are almost the same as ours, and he already has Shepherd, who plays a similar role IMO, under contract. But I gave up trying to guess what Gettleman was going to do years ago, lol.

They'll most likely get rid of Golden Tate this offseason so they might have a hole at WR. 

And in my opinion, it looks like when Gettleman was brought in after Reese and McAdoo screwed Eli over Mara wanted to do right by eli and make one more playoff push. That's why they extended OBJ, drafted Saquon, and didn't release Eli in 2019 even though it would have saved them a BUTT load of money. That has ownership dictating what the GM does because the moves didn't make sense. They postponed the rebuild by one year then cleared house once they knew it wasn't going to work. Gettleman did what Gettleman does, he trimmed the fat, got rid of players that weren't worth their contracts, and invested in the lines.

2018 was the anomaly year in terms of Gettleman behavior. Last season and this season has been pretty on brand for him. People in NY don't have patience though. 

 

[ncfan]

Think we dont cut Paradis this year

[Toomers]

1 hour ago, BrianS said:

Don't try to read anything in to what the team says in regards to a draft.  The team is (or should be) actively trying to conceal their draft plans and mislead other teams into reading the situation incorrectly.

We need a QB, and it's pretty hard to hide that.  The contract we have for TB5 is actually the perfect contract.  We are truly stuck with him only until after next season, but if "our guy" needs an extra season to mature, we can keep TB until 2022.  I don't see a scenario where we wait until 2022 to find our guy.  That puts power back in TB's hands.  The way things are set right now, we need to find our guy this offseason, use 2021 to figure out how long he needs to be ready, and then leverage TB's contract to make that happen.

   How is paying a low end starter 21M/year and 34M guaranteed a perfect contract? It’s an anchor more than anything. The whole premise of getting a quality young QB is the opportunity to get 30M in production from an 8-10M salary. Signing TB has basically taken that advantage away even if the team finds their guy next year. The team would still be paying 30M for the QB position and still hoping a rookie is actually the future. 
 

   Instead of a couple above average OL to protect the young QB, the team gets an expensive backup or a place holder. When a similar player could have been acquired for a fraction of TBs salary. On teams that admittedly were rebuilding. What about this contract is even good, much less “perfect”. The only hope is that some other team is willing to trade for a 10M backup and the Panthers would only be on the hook for 10M instead of 20M(or 23M if he stays). 

[thefuzz]

1 hour ago, shaqattaq said:

Specifically, if Parsons is there or Sewell drops that far, it would hard to pass up for the 4th or 5th best QB (depending on our board). Hard to have this conversation with 4 game left in the season. AFT proved anything can happen any game.

I'd much prefer a premier LT to the 4th most coveted QB.

[thefuzz]

31 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

They'll most likely get rid of Golden Tate this offseason so they might have a hole at WR. 

And in my opinion, it looks like when Gettleman was brought in after Reese and McAdoo screwed Eli over Mara wanted to do right by eli and make one more playoff push. That's why they extended OBJ, drafted Saquon, and didn't release Eli in 2019 even though it would have saved them a BUTT load of money. That has ownership dictating what the GM does because the moves didn't make sense. They postponed the rebuild by one year then cleared house once they knew it wasn't going to work. Gettleman did what Gettleman does, he trimmed the fat, got rid of players that weren't worth their contracts, and invested in the lines.

2018 was the anomaly year in terms of Gettleman behavior. Last season and this season has been pretty on brand for him. People in NY don't have patience though. 

 

Totally Agree.

DG was brought in to make one final push, doubt he wanted to though...but the ownership calls the shots.  Now he is cleaning that roster up, and should be contenders for the East next season I would think.

[thefuzz]

21 minutes ago, Toomers said:

   How is paying a low end starter 21M/year and 34M guaranteed a perfect contract? It’s an anchor more than anything. The whole premise of getting a quality young QB is the opportunity to get 30M in production from an 8-10M salary. Signing TB has basically taken that advantage away even if the team finds their guy next year. The team would still be paying 30M for the QB position and still hoping a rookie is actually the future. 
 

   Instead of a couple above average OL to protect the young QB, the team gets an expensive backup or a place holder. When a similar player could have been acquired for a fraction of TBs salary. On teams that admittedly were rebuilding. What about this contract is even good, much less “perfect”. The only hope is that some other team is willing to trade for a 10M backup and the Panthers would only be on the hook for 10M instead of 20M(or 23M if he stays). 

I was going to quote that, and say the exact same thing.  In what world was Teddy good for the Panthers...and how on Earth could you qualify the contract as "perfect".

It was a bad move, and we bid against ourselves.  Payton has to be laughing.

[BrianS]

Have any of you LOOKED at what QB's are making?  TB is dead in the middle.  We got an average starting QB for the price of . . . an average starting QB.  We're really only on the hook for two years.  If we get our guy this offseason, and he's ready to start, great.  He'll have TB to teach him the offense and mentor him for a year after which we cut Teddy.  If our guy is more developmental, we let him sit behind Teddy in 2021 and start in 2022.  We can make the decision the summer before as to whether we need Teddy to stick around or not.

We NEED a veteran QB in that room when we bring in our guy.  The only thing worse than a rookie QB in the NFL is a rookie QB with no one to mentor him.  TB doesn't have a problem above the shoulders.  He's the ideal guy, and we've got him on a deal that pays him for what he is right now, and we can dump him after next season for almost nothing.

I don't think TB is a guy we can make a run with.  Unless our defense goes from "ok" to "all time" we're going to need a QB.  When we find one, we need someone to mentor him.  In looking at the FA's available last year, TB was the best choice for what we needed.

 

[Mistuh Jones]

I'm confused asl. How do we only have 20 Million?! Weren't we carrying a stupid number for dead cap so we'd have money to spend this year? I had that thought this whole year and I feel like I just got the Jelly of the Month for a Christmas bonus