Panther defense most conservative in the league.

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Blitzing is a philosophical thing. Heaven knows there have been defensive coaches that absolutely loved it, but you needed to have great cover DBs to make it work.

But then you saw Dick LeBeau start using blitz schemes with zone coverage behind it. The Steelers lived off that for years.

Jim Johnson figured out how to use it with a 4-3 alignment. That concept got passed down to an old friend of ours named Ron Rivera, and he used it here.

And is currently being used to good effect by one of his disciples, Sean McDermott, in Buffalo

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, panthers55 said:

And is currently being used to good effect by one of his disciples, Sean McDermott, in Buffalo

Are you referring to McDermott as a Ron Rivera disciple or a Jim Johnson disciple?

I suppose both could technically be true.

[onmyown]

Defense has steadily gotten better as the year has gone on, from almost last to right in the middle. This is a great sign and is to be expected. Looks a lot like what Rhule has done wherever he has gone.

If the Oline is built properly for the next franchise QB...we can be competitive. 
 

Unfortunatley Hurney is in charge of that.

[panthers55]

18 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

No, the original post to this thread talked exactly about blitzing more or less. Weather you are playing a 3-3-5 or 4-2-5 you can still blitz the same amount.  People are getting to caught up in formations.

And from the chart that Kungfoodude created, opposing QBs actually played worse when we blitzed less, so maybe our answer isn't as easy as just "blitzing more".   So you are assuming if we blitzed more other teams would score less?  Exactly what are you basing that on?  I doubt you have anything concrete to back that up.  At least Kungfoodude is presenting facts to help people form an opinion.

Actually you are wrong about how we use the 3-3-5. We don't blitz off it that much I can see. And if you do blitz with 3 linemen you are usually setting your linebackers 5 yards back and using green dog delayed blitzes. They take time and can be easier picked up because when you rush 3 at least 2 guys are doubled giving you 2 linemen who can easily slough off and pick up the blitzer. If you rush 4 they can only double 1 guy and don't have but 1 guy who can.pick up the blitzer without keeping a tight end on in running back to help. Now if you are lining 6 guys on the line and sending different ones at different times you have both TEs and running backs staying in to chip potential blitzers which put fewer receivers in the pattern and not as far down field. So if you don't telegraph you are only sending 3 it might work sometimes. But if you only rush 3 and the other 8 are clearly in coverage that is a prevent defense and easily exploited as we have seen over and over.

[panthers55]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Are you referring to McDermott as a Ron Rivera disciple or a Jim Johnson disciple?

I suppose both could technically be true.

I thought of that too. He played for both although he had more success with the Panthers under Rivera.

[kungfoodude]

33 minutes ago, onmyown said:

Defense has steadily gotten better as the year has gone on, from almost last to right in the middle. This is a great sign and is to be expected. Looks a lot like what Rhule has done wherever he has gone.

If the Oline is built properly for the next franchise QB...we can be competitive. 
 

Unfortunatley Hurney is in charge of that.

The defense has gotten better in what regard?

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

The defense has gotten better in what regard?

They shut out the Lions? 

[kungfoodude]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

They shut out the Lions? 

I would dispute the statement "steadily gotten better" statistically. It's actually been pretty up and down most of the year. But, you would expect that with a young defense.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

I would dispute the statement "steadily gotten better" statistically. It's actually been pretty up and down most of the year. But, you would expect that with a young defense.

I wouldn't say "steadily gotten better". They've been up and down all year.

The big debate everybody's having now is whether you blame it on the personnel or the coaching. In reality it's both, but who's more to blame?

My answer: I don't know.

[kungfoodude]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

I wouldn't say "steadily gotten better". They've been up and down all year.

The big debate everybody's having now is whether you blame it on the personnel or the coaching. In reality it's both, but who's more to blame?

My answer: I don't know.

Yeah, that is a level of detail that none of us has invested the time into knowing and probably very few of us have the football acumen to discern. 

I know the 4 Man Rush guys(who have the best Panthers content around) have been on the personnel more than the defensive coaching. They've been kind of on Joe Brady somewhat though for some of his playcalling.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, that is a level of detail that none of us has invested the time into knowing and probably very few of us have the football acumen to discern. 

I know the 4 Man Rush guys(who have the best Panthers content around) have been on the personnel more than the defensive coaching. They've been kind of on Joe Brady somewhat though for some of his playcalling.

Our buddy Ellis works with them sometimes I think.

From what I've seen, their content is pretty good.

[thefuzz]

1 hour ago, Varking said:

What kind of compensation pick do we get for a guy like Moton leaving?

3rd if he stays healthy.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Our buddy Ellis works with them sometimes I think.

From what I've seen, their content is pretty good.

They need a lot of polish and some better equipment but, IMO, their actual content is leaps and bounds better than anything else being done. Highly recommend their podcast, their Youtube post game talks, and their All-22 film room sessions. 

[MHS831]

19 hours ago, WarPanthers89 said:

It’s almost like we have the youngest  starting defense in a decade 

  I really think we are questioning why the driver's ed class students are not winning at Daytona.  You can hide 1 or 2 weak players/rookies, but 4-5?  We have a lot of growing to do.  Is this part of that process?  I hope so.