Zach Wilson, Trey Lance or...

[rippadonn]

3 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

He doesn't have much as far as a modern NFL toolkit. He has more the look of a career 2nd or 3rd string NFL guy. Don't get too attached to college production/accolades as a means to evaluate NFL talent. You need to see NFL attributes and skills, as well.

Dude is balling out right now in a major program that other guys above him on the draft charts could only dream of playing for. Dude has body, the arm, lighting it up.

He's going to climb up the draft boards because of his NFL ready size. This is the sleeper QB of this draft. He is that classic QB, yes. They're talking about Heisman candidacy.

Watch my boy! Get on the bandwagon now!

[rippadonn]

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

I am telling you--and QBs from this school scare me--but Mac Jones is rising.  He has a stud OL and the best WRs I have ever seen one one team, and a strong running game behind him, but he is completing nearly 80% (76.2%) of his passes vs. SEC opponents.  He has 23 TDs vs 3 Ints.  He is 6-3, 215.  Not the greatest arm, but is deadly on timing routes--with our WRs, he could be a good fit.

Trask is the same way.  He has 30 TDs and 3 ints. and completes 70%.

I see 6 first round QBs this draft--

Meaning we don't need to panick, just pick one.

[Agent Blue]

for how big trask is, the ball doesn't really come out as fast as you would think. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Agent Blue said:

for how big trask is, the ball doesn't really come out as fast as you would think. 

His arm is very average, even at the college level. It's a big concern translating to the NFL IMO.

[MHS831]

2 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

Yeah you need a QB this draft for Teddy to mentor and then when can cut Teddy the following year and save a lot of cap space.

Changing my mind on Task.  I watched a few more games on youtube--not highlight reels--the things I am looking for (based on what I was told by a great QB coach in college that went on to be a terrible head coach in college and retired as a high school state champion coach for a 1A school)---watch the head to see if he is going through the progressions, watch the feet, and watch the release.  on the other end, watch the ball placement and the timing.  He said arm strength is good, but it leads to interceptions a lot.  The QB learns that he can force a pass into a closing window, and he tries to do it and it is often too hot, getting tipped up or off the WR hands.  He said a QB with an average arm who gets the ball out on time is ideal.  The strongest arms I have seen in the NFL?  Stafford is the one that comes to mind.  Cam had a gun. 

Trask does not seem to have nervous feet (jittery feet= confusion, impatience, etc. and throws off timing--you want them set.  He moves his feet quickly through his progressions (instead of keeping his feet in position A when he is looking at the throws where he needs position B or C--Brees is great at this), and his release is quick, as high as possible (DL are 6-5 with long arms), and does not require a lot of body movement.  Trask does a good job leading his receivers to get yards after the catch--they do not often have to slow down for the ball.  The ball arrives before the separation closes, not while its closing. 

As best as I could tell, Trask could be the real deal.  I figured he might be a bust before I decided to go to YouTube and put him through my amateur QB assessment. Now I want to hear from the experts.  However, if there are 5 (even 6 if you count Bama's QB) who could be first round gems, and you realize that with Teddy, we do not need a day 1 starter, we could be in great position to grab a QB. 

[MHS831]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

His arm is very average, even at the college level. It's a big concern translating to the NFL IMO.

It is average, but his release is my biggest ??? as I watch him.  Is it high enough and quick enough?  I think it is OK, but I am not much of an expert at QB mechanics.  Others see things I cannot.

[Panfan35]

I am on the train if we are around pick 10 just draft pitts and take track in second round 

[MHS831]

13 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

Meaning we don't need to panick, just pick one.

I think so---I am not a QB guru--but I really think there are some good prospects this year.   I am like Mac from Bama--but we only know what he can do with a stable of WRs, a stud OL, and a good running game.

If we were to draft him or Trask (someone else said this and I agree) we would need to build the OL now.  Okung?  not good enough and too injured--bye.  LG?  Not yet.  Paradis--too much pressure up the gut---RG Miller, good for now, and RT Moton, yes.   So we need 3 new faces and they gotta get it done.

[rippadonn]

6 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Changing my mind on Task.  I watched a few more games on youtube--not highlight reels--the things I am looking for (based on what I was told by a great QB coach in college that went on to be a terrible head coach in college and retired as a high school state champion coach for a 1A school)---watch the head to see if he is going through the progressions, watch the feet, and watch the release.  on the other end, watch the ball placement and the timing.  He said arm strength is good, but it leads to interceptions a lot.  The QB learns that he can force a pass into a closing window, and he tries to do it and it is often too hot, getting tipped up or off the WR hands.  He said a QB with an average arm who gets the ball out on time is ideal.  The strongest arms I have seen in the NFL?  Stafford is the one that comes to mind.  Cam had a gun. 

Trask does not seem to have nervous feet (jittery feet= confusion, impatience, etc. and throws off timing--you want them set.  He moves his feet quickly through his progressions (instead of keeping his feet in position A when he is looking at the throws where he needs position B or C--Brees is great at this), and his release is quick, as high as possible (DL are 6-5 with long arms), and does not require a lot of body movement.  Trask does a good job leading his receivers to get yards after the catch--they do not often have to slow down for the ball.  The ball arrives before the separation closes, not while its closing. 

As best as I could tell, Trask could be the real deal.  I figured he might be a bust before I decided to go to YouTube and put him through my amateur QB assessment. Now I want to hear from the experts.  However, if there are 5 (even 6 if you count Bama's QB) who could be first round gems, and you realize that with Teddy, we do not need a day 1 starter, we could be in great position to grab a QB. 

Shhhhh! Don't tell everybody!

I'd take Trask at #10 and not look back. I did the same evaluation. He's the sleeper.

[MHS831]

3 minutes ago, Panfan35 said:

I am on the train if we are around pick 10 just draft pitts and take track in second round 

I see OT, CB, and MLB as musts.  I see QB, S, C, and TE as needs.  Since the draft is after free agency, it is really hard to say what we will do now---I would love it if we filled the musts and could address the needs in round 1.

[rippadonn]

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[rippadonn]

13 hours ago, rippadonn said:

If he can move into the bottom of the first Kyle Trask needs to get a serious look.

You can't teach 6'5" 240lbs. That's an NFL body out the gate. Everything else you can refine.

 

2,810yrds   34TDs   3ints    93.4 qbr

Heisman candidate

He can bring #89 from this video with him. His spirit is so #89 in that clip. First of all he looks like he's 5'9"(maybe 5'10") and has longer arms and high points the ball over the CB like #89 AND gets up like #89 would. Flashbacks

[ForJimmy]

29 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Changing my mind on Task.  I watched a few more games on youtube--not highlight reels--the things I am looking for (based on what I was told by a great QB coach in college that went on to be a terrible head coach in college and retired as a high school state champion coach for a 1A school)---watch the head to see if he is going through the progressions, watch the feet, and watch the release.  on the other end, watch the ball placement and the timing.  He said arm strength is good, but it leads to interceptions a lot.  The QB learns that he can force a pass into a closing window, and he tries to do it and it is often too hot, getting tipped up or off the WR hands.  He said a QB with an average arm who gets the ball out on time is ideal.  The strongest arms I have seen in the NFL?  Stafford is the one that comes to mind.  Cam had a gun. 

Trask does not seem to have nervous feet (jittery feet= confusion, impatience, etc. and throws off timing--you want them set.  He moves his feet quickly through his progressions (instead of keeping his feet in position A when he is looking at the throws where he needs position B or C--Brees is great at this), and his release is quick, as high as possible (DL are 6-5 with long arms), and does not require a lot of body movement.  Trask does a good job leading his receivers to get yards after the catch--they do not often have to slow down for the ball.  The ball arrives before the separation closes, not while its closing. 

As best as I could tell, Trask could be the real deal.  I figured he might be a bust before I decided to go to YouTube and put him through my amateur QB assessment. Now I want to hear from the experts.  However, if there are 5 (even 6 if you count Bama's QB) who could be first round gems, and you realize that with Teddy, we do not need a day 1 starter, we could be in great position to grab a QB. 

Pitts definitely makes his job easier, but the same could be said about Mac Jones and Lawrence. How do you feel about Kellen Mond? We might be able to sneak and get him in the second?

[LinvilleGorge]

19 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Pitts definitely makes his job easier, but the same could be said about Mac Jones and Lawrence. How do you feel about Kellen Mond? We might be able to sneak and get him in the second?

I was intrigued in the little bit I'd watched, but then I watched a couple of full games. He's trash. Intriguing physical talent but he's just not good at football. I think he's probably a late round developmental flyer pick for someone.