The one player we absolutely cannot lose this offseason.....

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

Most of this board thought along the same lines when Marty came back.

"he's learned from his mistakes" is what I read here over and over.  3 years in?  No playoffs, bad cap position, huge RB contract (again), paying LB's, trading up in drafts for bad players, etc...

Nothing has changed except his age.

...and the name of the guy who's dumb enough to pay him.

[thefuzz]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I've long believed that Marty is one of those guys who keeps his job by knowing how to play the game and or promote himself.

He sure as hell didn't do it by building winning teams.

I am 100% one of these guys in my business.

The difference?  I'm always one of the top producers no matter the location or job....Marty has no legs to stand on in that department.

 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, thefuzz said:

I am 100% one of these guys in my business.

The difference?  I'm always one of the top producers no matter the location or job....Marty has no legs to stand on in that department.

 

His background is as a PR guy.

It would make sense.

[WarPanthers89]

Side note: Why the hell do we always let players just walk? We never trade players for draft capital and it drives me nuts. If we tag Moton and trade him for a 2nd round pick I don’t think people would be as mad but we always seem to let good players walk for nothing in return. Meanwhile the Falcons get a 2nd round pick for Sanu and he’s not even on the team the Patriots roster the season after. We trade someone like Kyle Allen for a 5th once every 5 years and people are stoked, meanwhile we let people like Pep and Moton walk for nothing 

[Ricky Spanish]

Well if we let Moton walk it won't really matter who we have behind center next year because they'll die by week 5.

[Untouchable]

Bad GMs make bad decisions. There is more than enough film to know if you should resign a guy after their 3rd season. Tape showed plenty of evidence to resign both Moton and Samuel this past offseason to bargain rates. Same for Bradberry the year prior. All 3 were at premium positions too. So frustrating to watch the same mistakes be made year after year.

[Peon Awesome]

People on here are like "stupid Hurney is just going to let Moton walk because he's incompetent and doesn't realize we need Moton. All he has to do is offer him $15 million per year. So easy."

I would bet you Moton's agent is going to Hurney saying he wants to be the highest paid tackle in the NFL. Yes tackle, L or R, surpassing the $22 million per year Tunsil got. If you think Hurney offering $15 is going to make Moton jump out of his seat and sign the contract, you are embarrassingly naive. He will test free agency if that's the best offer we give him. And maybe the depressed cap will help some but not as much as you hope. So if you're banging on the door for Hurney to resign Moton, and rightfully so, don't be surprised if it takes $18 million+. And realize him not getting resigned could be because they refuse to budge from Tunsil territory at this point.

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Well if we let Moton walk it won't really matter who we have behind center next year because they'll die by week 5.

Speculation has been it isn't so much that we're "letting him walk" as it is that he wants more money than we're willing to pay. "Left tackle money" according to one source.

There is the franchise tag of course, but it doesn't sound like we're leaning towards using it (which I have to admit kind of disappoints me).

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, Peon Awesome said:

People on here are like "stupid Hurney is just going to let Moton walk because he's incompetent and doesn't realize we need Moton. All he has to do is offer him $15 million per year. So easy."

I would bet you Moton's agent is going to Hurney saying he wants to be the highest paid tackle in the NFL. Yes tackle, L or R, surpassing the $22 million per year Tunsil got. If you think Hurney offering $15 is going to make Moton jump out of his seat and sign the contract, you are embarrassingly naive. He will test free agency if that's the best offer we give him. And maybe the depressed cap will help some but not as much as you hope. So if you're banging on the door for Hurney to resign Moton, and rightfully so, don't be surprised if it takes $18 million+. And realize him not getting resigned could be because they refuse to budge from Tunsil territory at this point.

I'm not against GMs playing hardball, but that tactic works a lot better when the GM I'm question is a really good drafter (not just good in the first round).

The Steelers can talk tough with agents because they can say "When he leaves, we'll draft somebody just like him (if we haven't already)".

The Panthers can't credibly say anything of the sort.

[Peon Awesome]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm not against GMs playing hardball, but that tactic works a lot better when the GM I'm question is a really good drafter (not just good in the first round).

I don't even consider it hardball. More economics and cap realities. Moton might rightfully argue he's worth $20 million per year but you can't afford to pay every player their worth and man a full team. You've got to make tough decisions. With our line situation, I think you give in more than you want for Moton and dumpster dive to fill out the rest of the roster. I just am trying to reframe people's misguided expectations about how "simple" resigning Moton really is. People here were convinced we could resign Bradberry for 10-12 million per year. I'm sure that's what Hurney wanted and probably offered, or likely more than that actually, for a cb without a single pro bowl or all pro selection. But sadly that's not what the market dictates. And Moton is going to be an even sadder reality of that.

[MasterAwesome]

13 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

Bad GMs make bad decisions. There is more than enough film to know if you should resign a guy after their 3rd season. Tape showed plenty of evidence to resign both Moton and Samuel this past offseason to bargain rates. Same for Bradberry the year prior. All 3 were at premium positions too. So frustrating to watch the same mistakes be made year after year.

And if they don't want to re-sign at "bargain rates"?  Players rejecting perceived low-ball contracts and gambling on themselves is like actually a thing people do...especially for players like Bradberry and Moton who have been the model of consistency since their first couple years in the league.  I know it's hard to fathom for people that contract negotiations are a two-way street.

[thefuzz]

16 minutes ago, Peon Awesome said:

People on here are like "stupid Hurney is just going to let Moton walk because he's incompetent and doesn't realize we need Moton. All he has to do is offer him $15 million per year. So easy."

I would bet you Moton's agent is going to Hurney saying he wants to be the highest paid tackle in the NFL. Yes tackle, L or R, surpassing the $22 million per year Tunsil got. If you think Hurney offering $15 is going to make Moton jump out of his seat and sign the contract, you are embarrassingly naive. He will test free agency if that's the best offer we give him. And maybe the depressed cap will help some but not as much as you hope. So if you're banging on the door for Hurney to resign Moton, and rightfully so, don't be surprised if it takes $18 million+. And realize him not getting resigned could be because they refuse to budge from Tunsil territory at this point.

The point, is you recognize your homegrown talent, and flash enough money in front of them a year before they get to free agency.

James should have been extended 2 years ago, and Moton last offseason.

For 2nd rounders...who have made SOME money, but not a ton, flash guarantees and big $$$ in front of their faces and they likely will take the bait vs. trying to make it through yet another season uninjured or without having a slump.

Our GM isn't smart enough to do that.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

The point, is you recognize your homegrown talent, and flash enough money in front of them a year before they get to free agency.

James should have been extended 2 years ago, and Moton last offseason.

For 2nd rounders...who have made SOME money, but not a ton, flash guarantees and big $$$ in front of their faces and they likely will take the bait vs. trying to make it through yet another season uninjured or without having a slump.

Our GM isn't smart enough to do that.

What's long been a profile (and complaint) with Marty is that he only thinks a year at a time.

[MasterAwesome]

15 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm not against GMs playing hardball, but that tactic works a lot better when the GM I'm question is a really good drafter (not just good in the first round).

The Steelers can talk tough with agents because they can say "if he leaves, we'll draft somebody just like him (if we haven't already).

The Panthers can't credibly say anything of the sort.

You essentially seem to be alluding to hometown discounts, which I don't think has any real evidence of actually being a thing that happens.  Otherwise "playing hardball" doesn't really work when you can just go get more money somewhere else.