Teddy Bridgewater: Panthers may have panicked late against Vikings

[bigdog10]

1 hour ago, gakonline said:

Speaking of panic. Teddy panicked on his first pick in the red zone yesterday. Anderson was on a crossing route & would have been wide open if Teddy would not have panicked & decided to throw the check down to Davis in the crowded middle of the field. 
 

He missed four td throws yesterday by my count:

-the one you mentioned above to Robby

-the deep ball to Robby where he led him out of bounds

-the deep ball to Moore

-the end of game to Moore

 

[Carl Spackler]

8 minutes ago, bigdog10 said:

He missed four td throws yesterday by my count:

-the one you mentioned above to Robby

-the deep ball to Robby where he led him out of bounds

-the deep ball to Moore

-the end of game to Moore

 

He’s dogshit. DJ should go Steve Smith on him 

[kungfoodude]

29 minutes ago, ladypanther said:

I was very disappointed in Bridgewater and his comments.  He missed receivers all day.  He missed a wide open receiver in the endzone for the win.  Can't believe he threw the coaches under the bus...even saying he would have changed the play [ so he didn't have the throw the ball??].    I criticized Tom Brady for not being a leader and taking responsibility for his mistakes.  I see no difference.  I hope Rhule is really pissed by this.  He needs to give Walker more reps to see what he has.  I would have expected to see Teddy improve throughout the season as he had more time in this offense and more time with the receivers.  Instead, he seems to have regressed. Sit him.

Regressed is the key thing. If you look at his early season output and where we are now, it is pretty clear he is regressing. I don't think it is the injury, I think he is just struggling more and more with teams stacking players inside 10 yards and daring him to throw deep. Everything can't be a checkdown if you want to move the ball on offense. You gotta hit more of those deep targets that he whiffed on to make these defenses lay off. 

[Mage]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Regressed is the key thing. If you look at his early season output and where we are now, it is pretty clear he is regressing. I don't think it is the injury, I think he is just struggling more and more with teams stacking players inside 10 yards and daring him to throw deep. Everything can't be a checkdown if you want to move the ball on offense. You gotta hit more of those deep targets that he whiffed on to make these defenses lay off. 

You don't think he's just really tired/fatigued?  

[kungfoodude]

Just now, Mage said:

You don't think he's just really tired/fatigued?  

LMAO. Absolutely not. Especially coming off a week+ of rest. 

That line of logic is laughably bad.

[Asurfaholic]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

DJ was wide open and you blew it and now you're to point the finger everywhere else.

Honestly, Teddy shouldn't have a single defender left after that and Rhule should bench his ass. This is the polar opposite of what you want to see our of your QB both in terms of execution in the field and leadership off.

Sorry, but one incomplete pass didn’t lose the game. I get that it’s easy to get emotional about that one play because we could have won, but I think it’s an emotional knee jerk response to call to bench the QB for the miss. 
 

How many dropped passes did the WR have that could have just as easily sealed the game? Missed blocking assignment that led to blocked FG?

the team lost as a team. It happens, move on and get better.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Asurfaholic said:

Sorry, but one incomplete pass didn’t lose the game. I get that it’s easy to get emotional about that one play because we could have won, but I think it’s an emotional knee jerk response to call to bench the QB for the miss. 
 

How many dropped passes did the WR have that could have just as easily sealed the game? Missed blocking assignment that led to blocked FG?

the team lost as a team. It happens, move on and get better.

It wasn't just one throw. He missed DJ twice in the endzone. He missed throws all game long.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

LMAO. Absolutely not. Especially coming off a week+ of rest. 

That line of logic is laughably bad.

Only if you don't understand what football fatigue does and what the discussion's about.

[Mage]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It wasn't just one throw. He missed DJ twice in the endzone. He missed throws all game long.

Imagine your team's offense only scoring 13 points against one of the 5 worst defenses in the NFL, while your wide receivers have a good game and get open plenty, your RBs run for 95 yards, and you get sacked 0 times... and yet some people in your fanbase are still trying to use the "we lost as a team" reasoning lol

I can say without a shadow of a doubt that Teddy's poor and conservative play lost us a very winnable game.  Vikings were literally fumbling the game away to us, with 3 turnovers.  We scored 2 defensive touchdowns.  And our offense scored only 13 points.  13 points. Vikings are 26th in defensive PPG, and we scored 13 points.  Our running game was doing well.  QB wasn't sacked and protection was good for the most part.  Receivers were getting open, and we have one of the best trios in the NFL currently (Moore-Anderson-Samuel).  And we scored 13 points.

It's a team game, and yes technically we lost as a team.  But Teddy was far and away the biggest reason the Vikings were even allowed to be competitive in that game.  Vikings only had 10 points on the scoreboard heading into the 4th.  Panthers had so many opportunities to put this game out of reach on offense.  And they didn't.  And it wasn't because of the OL, run game, or receivers.  

This loss falls squarely on Teddy

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Mage said:

Imagine your team's offense only scoring 13 points against one of the 5 worst defenses in the NFL, while your wide receivers have a good game and get open plenty, your RBs run for 95 yards, and you get sacked 0 times... and yet some people in your fanbase are still trying to use the "we lost as a team" reasoning lol

I can say without a shadow of a doubt that Teddy's poor and conservative play lost us a very winnable game.  Vikings were literally fumbling the game away to us, with 3 turnovers.  We scored 2 defensive touchdowns.  And our offense scored only 13 points.  13 points. Vikings are 26th in defensive PPG, and we scored 13 points.  Our running game was doing well.  QB wasn't sacked and protection was good for the most part.  Receivers were getting open, and we have one of the best trios in the NFL currently (Moore-Anderson-Samuel).  And we scored 13 points.

It's a team game, and yes technically we lost as a team.  But Teddy was far and away the biggest reason the Vikings were even allowed to be competitive in that game.  Vikings only had 10 points on the scoreboard heading into the 4th.  Panthers had so many opportunities to put this game out of reach on offense.  And they didn't.  And it wasn't because of the OL, run game, or receivers.  

This loss falls squarely on Teddy

Yep. Slye missed a tough kick that could've won it and the D choked in the end too, but if Teddy wasn't awful all game long none of that other stuff would've ever come into play.

[kungfoodude]

17 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Only if you don't understand what football fatigue does and what the discussion's about.

I understand that all football players suffer from fatigue over the course of the season and fatigue isn't a reasonable excuse for shitting the bed over the second half of the season. 

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I understand that all football players suffer from fatigue over the course of the season and fatigue isn't a reasonable excuse for shitting the bed over the second half of the season. 

No, you don't understand. Not even close.

Part of the problem is that you and a couple of others are taking it as if it was meant to say this was the only thing wrong with Bridgewater.

That was never the case.

The premise, laid out as simply as possible is this: For whatever you think of his overall ability Bridgewater was more accurate, quicker with his reads, better at scrambling and a few other things early in the season than he is now.

That's not an excuse, it doesn't paint him in a good light and it doesn't minimize his problems. It's just an analysis of where he's at compared from early in the season to now, and it doesn't preclude there being other factors contributing to his regression.

I'd frame it as simply as this: Was the guy you saw yesterday the same guy that you saw in the first few games?

To answer that with a yes would be delusional, but I know there are some who will because that's their thing.

But the answer is no, and the wear and tear of the season is one of the reasons.

Not the only reason, but a reason.

[Mage]

I like how he says we're delusional if we answer yes, but him trying to quantify something like "Football Fatigue" in a player?  Definitely reasonable lol

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Mage said:

I like how he says we're delusional if we answer yes, but him trying to quantify something like "Football Fatigue" in a player?  Definitely reasonable lol

Don't even have to mention fatigue.

if you seriously think the guy you watched yesterday is the same guy that we saw early in the season, I can tell you that you don't know what you're watching.

I'm explaining one of the reasons why he's different, but even outside of that reason if you want to try to argue that he isn't different, yes that's delusional.