Is Teddy a Checkdown QB?

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I'll take PJ Walker at the moment of the actually available options. I'd rather at least be entertained while I watch Sunday football than wait to see which version of Teddy shows up and then have the sinking feeling that it will all go to poo when the bad version does.

There you go, there is a "gut feeling" take.....can you name any game this season where Teddy has actually overcome adversity rather than succumb to it? I can't.

You think the coaches care about whether or not fans are entertained?

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

Problem with Jameis is he would probably choose them too often and when they simply don't exist.   

Jameis lost his starting job....throwing for 5000+ yards and 33 TDs in a season.  Which sounds great.  Until you find out he turned the ball over 35 times. 

But that is the life of a gunslinger. The guy we all keep pining for is that same kind of player. Did he(Walker) not throw two crippling, boneheaded INT's in our victory? That's what all of those gunslingers do. The only one that seems to defy that is Pat Mahomes, who has a gunslinging mentality but doesn't make the same errors that guys like Favre, Winston, Rivers, Mayfield, etc do. 

[kungfoodude]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

You think the coaches care about whether or not fans are entertained?

I don't personally give a fug considering what they are doing is losing most of the games. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't personally give a fug considering what they are doing is losing most of the games. 

Your job isn't affected by who starts for the Panthers.

Rhule's job security obviously isn't an issue right now, but I'd still say any coach who takes that kind of thing into account shouldn't be coaching.

That's on the same level as Rivera making depth chart decisions based on his wanting older players to end their career on their own terms.

[CRA]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You think the coaches care about whether or not fans are entertained?

Tepper probably does

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Your job isn't affected by who starts for the Panthers.

Rhule's job security obviously isn't an issue right now, but I'd still say any coach who takes that kind of thing into account shouldn't be coaching.

That's on the same level as Rivera making depth chart decisions based on his wanting older players to end their career on their own terms.

You go back and point out in my post where I said that decision should be made by the coaching staff. Keep grasping at straws.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, CRA said:

Tepper probably does

That'd put him in the Jerry Jones category.

[CRA]

5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

But that is the life of a gunslinger. The guy we all keep pining for is that same kind of player. Did he(Walker) not throw two crippling, boneheaded INT's in our victory? That's what all of those gunslingers do. The only one that seems to defy that is Pat Mahomes, who has a gunslinging mentality but doesn't make the same errors that guys like Favre, Winston, Rivers, Mayfield, etc do. 

well, I still don't think his INTs were actually that bad.   Play gets hard in the redzone.  First INT I still put more on Brady.  Poor play design for that area of the field.   Next one Moore gets knocked off his route and stopped.  Ball was going to be in the right spot.  

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

You go back and point out in my post where I said that decision should be made by the coaching staff. Keep grasping at straws.

Not what I said at all.

I pointed out that the coaching staff have different criteria for their choices than you do.

[kungfoodude]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Not what I said at all.

I pointed out that the coaching staff have different criteria for their choices than you do.

And I correctly pointed out that I don't give a poo.

[CRA]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

That'd put him in the Jerry Jones category.

You think Tepper doesn't care about fans being entertained?  That isn't a negative.  Tepper is in this first and foremost to make money. 

Not sure hitting that checkbox puts you in Jerry Jones territory.   Jones' rep is earned by much more than that. 

 

 

[Shotgun]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You think the coaches care about whether or not fans are entertained?

No but you can bet the owner does.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

well, I still don't think his INTs were actually that bad.   Play gets hard in the redzone.  First INT I still put more on Brady.  Poor play design for that area of the field.   Next one Moore gets knocked off his route and stopped.  Ball was going to be in the right spot.  

They were definitely bad. Any redzone turnover is immediately bad because it instantly wipes points off the board. 

He shouldn't have thrown the first one but he's a gunslinger so of course he tried to thread that needle. He did the same on his way down the field, lasering risky passes between defenders for completions. Those guys usually struggle more in the redzone because the margin of error is smaller when the field gets tighter. Same way Winston throws red zone INT's, Favre threw red zone INT's, Rivers throws red zone INT's. All those gunslingers do this because they are always trying to make the play. 

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

You think Tepper doesn't care about fans being entertained?  That isn't a negative.  Tepper is in this first and foremost to make money. 

Not sure hitting that checkbox puts you in Jerry Jones territory.   Jones' rep is earned by much more than that. 

It's his team. He can do what he wants.

But an owner who interferes in coaching decisions all too frequently turns into an owner who fires that coach when he's not winning, even if his own interference is part of the reason.

That's who Jerry Jones is, and it's definitely not who I want David Tepper to be.

That's also how you wind up with coaches like Mike McCarthy rather than coaches like Matt Rhule.