Is Teddy a Checkdown QB?

[TLGPanthersFan]

[MasterAwesome]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

I think it is the Teddy effect. 

Andy Reid's system is essentially what it is.  He got rid of Alex Smith because Alex Smith wouldn't pull the trigger on enough plays.  He neutered Reid's offense.  That is what Teddy is doing to Joe Brady's offense.  Limiting it.  

What you're leaving out though, which is relevant to our situation, is that Andy Reid is the one who initially brought Alex Smith in (via trade) the month after he was hired as the Chiefs' head coach.  It's not like he inherited Smith after he was hired and poor Reid was stuck trying to make the most of a crappy situation.  He deserves credit for cutting Smith loose when he realized he was limiting his offense, but Smith was his mistake initially and so he also deserves blame for that...arguably the bulk of the blame over Smith himself. 

I don't think a coach gets to choose who he wants to run his offense and then deserves sympathy if it turns out that QB can't actually run his offense effectively.  Especially when the very same limitations that are predictably holding his offense back are the ones that have been known and well-documented through that QB's multi-year career.  That just seems awfully egotistical to think you can turn a QB into someone he has never been in his career.

[joemac]

15 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Teddy is their guy though....they chose to go out and get him in FA when his "inadequacies" were pretty well-documented.  I don't see how you can not blame the coaches who looked at hours and hours of tape of Teddy's entire career and thought "Yep, THAT'S our guy! Marty, bust out the checkbook".  He is who we thought he was, right?  Well Brady and Rhule were apparently the only two people who didn't know about Teddy's limitations.

Imagine being a supervisor at an office job and hiring your buddy who just got fired from his last job for slacking off.  You vouch for him to your manager and say "Boss, this is absolutely the guy for the job" and lo and behold, your team's numbers take a huge nosedive cause this dude is just deadweight, constantly slacking off.  Then you actually have the nerve to go to your manager and blame that employee when you went out of your way to bring him in and he ends up doing exactly what he has always done.  That ain't how the real world works, dude.

Teddy is their guy insomuch that he was the best QB available last off season, and we desperately needed someone who could at least start and not poo the bed each week.  I believe that if one of the top flight QBs is available in the draft that we will be all over him, and Teddy 2 Gloves will soon be a memory.

[kungfoodude]

13 minutes ago, joemac said:

Teddy is their guy insomuch that he was the best QB available last off season, and we desperately needed someone who could at least start and not poo the bed each week.  I believe that if one of the top flight QBs is available in the draft that we will be all over him, and Teddy 2 Gloves will soon be a memory.

Pretty sure Brady was on record as lobbying for signing Teddy.

[Carl Spackler]

[LinvilleGorge]

17 minutes ago, joemac said:

Teddy is their guy insomuch that he was the best QB available last off season, and we desperately needed someone who could at least start and not poo the bed each week.  I believe that if one of the top flight QBs is available in the draft that we will be all over him, and Teddy 2 Gloves will soon be a memory.

Well... how's that working out so far?

The only thing that would've changed if we hadn't signed Teddy and stuck with Kyle Allen is our cap situation.

[MasterAwesome]

5 minutes ago, joemac said:

Teddy is their guy insomuch that he was the best QB available last off season, and we desperately needed someone who could at least start and not poo the bed each week.  I believe that if one of the top flight QBs is available in the draft that we will be all over him, and Teddy 2 Gloves will soon be a memory.

I think that's downplaying it a lot.  Teddy and Brady worked closely together in New Orleans so Brady knows him pretty darn well (strengths, weaknesses, etc.).  His signing was also announced the day after FA began, suggesting we were probably targeting him pretty strongly.  That doesn't really seem like a "Meh, he's the best we can do" kind of mentality.  

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Pretty sure Brady was on record as lobbying for signing Teddy.

I don't know that he was the best quarterback available this past offseason. I remember there being a fair number of quarterbacks available because the discussion was how difficult it was going to be for Newton in a crowded quarterback field.

I do know that he had ties to Brady and to the system. Rhule signed on, so yes he's "their guy".

[Manna]

When it's third and long and the QB throws way short of the first down marker? Yeah, he's a check down QB. He does this consistently. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

36 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Teddy is their guy though....they chose to go out and get him in FA when his "inadequacies" were pretty well-documented.  I don't see how you can not blame the coaches who looked at hours and hours of tape of Teddy's entire career and thought "Yep, THAT'S our guy! Marty, bust out the checkbook".  He is who we thought he was, right?  Well Brady and Rhule were apparently the only two people who didn't know about Teddy's limitations.

Imagine being a supervisor at an office job and hiring your buddy who just got fired from his last job for slacking off.  You vouch for him to your manager and say "Boss, this is absolutely the guy for the job" and lo and behold, your team's numbers take a huge nosedive cause this dude is just deadweight, constantly slacking off.  Then you actually have the nerve to go to your manager and blame that employee when you went out of your way to bring him in and he ends up doing exactly what he has always done.  That ain't how the real world works, dude.

I thought TB would be the guy. He could run the dink and dunk system that NO has been killing us with for years. I didn't expect him to make 4 or 5 deep bombs a game. But I expected him to be able to throw it without putting more air under it than a punt. The past few games his arm strength has noticeably gone from bad to wtf. I cant defend that. I had hope TB could be the guy. He's not. He is a check down QB and that's all hes going to be. 

[1of10Charnatives]

Here’s a better question: What was the option to acquire a qb when we needed one that would have been a better option than Teddy? At this point it seems to me the real mistake was not Teddy per se, he may have been the best of a limited subset of options at the time, but of giving him a 3 year commitment. Yes you needed a qb, so you went out and got a guy with a bridge literally in his name. But giving him a 3 year deal at the most expensive position in the game says at this point you expected more than you are getting.

The cost of admitting that mistake and cutting ties may be the most painful part.

[MasterAwesome]

I don't get it and I feel like I'm living in bizarro world...for years people lambasted Rivera for not taking accountability at the top and talking about "missed opportunities" so often and blaming execution and all that.  Now people have completely flipped 180 and are using the "poor execution"/"missed opportunities" argument week after week and trying as hard as they possibly can to absolve coaching of any blame.  Accountability still starts at the top and that involves putting in the best players in the best position to succeed.  Whether that means benching Teddy or choosing to play him while making necessary adjustments rather than doing the same thing week after week and hoping things change, it still ultimately falls on coaching.

Seems like people are just fixated on designating a bad guy who they can pile on, rather than even attempting to apply consistent logic.  Rivera was that guy in previous years, this year it's Teddy.  

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Here’s a better question: What was the option to acquire a qb when we needed one that would have been a better option than Teddy? At this point it seems to me the real mistake was not Teddy per se, he may have been the best of a limited subset of options at the time, but of giving him a 3 year commitment. Yes you needed a qb, so you went out and got a guy with a bridge literally in his name. But giving him a 3 year deal at the most expensive position in the game says at this point you expected more than you are getting.

The cost of admitting that mistake and cutting ties may be the most painful part.

I know there were a number of "name" quarterbacks available in the offseason.

Which ones were still available at the time we went with Bridgewater? Don't know.

My sense is that a lot of them were probably already locked up because it took us a while to make a decision on Newton.

[kungfoodude]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I know there were a number of "name" quarterbacks available in the offseason.

Which ones were still available at the time we went with Bridgewater? Don't know.

My sense is that a lot of them were probably already locked up because it took us a while to make a decision on Newton.

We also don't know how many of the "name" QB's would have been interested in us(Brady, Rivers, etc).