Seriously, it's time to give Walker an honest look

[uncfan888]

24 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

No, he's not, but that doesn't mean that Walker is equal or better.

To be clear, we're not talking about a rookie here. This is a guy who's had shots at sticking on an NFL roster since 2017. He never rose above the level of a practice squad guy, then found himself unemployed and wound up in the XFL.

People are counting on him being one of those guys that was misevaluated, but that happens a lot less than people think.

This year is about evaluating. We know what we have with Teddy. PJ needs a chance to be evaluated with us. 

[Proudiddy]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

No, but to think you'd be better off sticking with him you'd have to think he's the primary factor in the "3" part of that record. I absolutely do not.

You've continued to produce zero argument for Teddy other than what boils down to fear of potentially doing worse. Worse than not very good. Worse than bad in crunch time situations.

I think what people are missing LG is we're not saying the future of QB is on the roster, what we're saying is that it's likely the other two guys wouldn't have done any worse in an offense that schemes completions and open receivers fairly easily...  and it's possible they would do better.  

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Silent Majority said:

Seems you are intentionally mischaracterizing the reason they want PJ to get the start, in order for your assertion to appear more valid than theirs. Who said they believe him to be a high level starter?

I specifically said I doubt he would be. But what I know is that Teddy isn't. I don't know that for sure about Walker and I'd like to find out for sure.

[Rocky Davis]

I don't care if we are "mathematically" still in it or not, I don't really want to see this team play an extra game just because.

This team is not a playoff team and doesn't deserve the playoffs. 

[Silent Majority]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I specifically said I doubt he would be. But what I know is that Teddy isn't. I don't know that for sure about Walker and I'd like to find out for sure.

You lead with that and even said it more than once. 

[Proudiddy]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I don't have to think that to think he's still the best quarterback on the roster.

And no, it isn't "fear". I'm not sure exactly what I'm supposed to be afraid of.

I would definitely say though that you're talking about making depth chart decisions out of emotion rather than logic.

It's purely logic, Scot.  

If you're coach, not if you're Rhule, but if you're the head coach - you, do you think Teddy at this point is a franchise QB?

I don't.

Has his decisions and play led to more losses than wins?  Yes.

So we know what we have with him.  The other guy is 1-0 and flashed some impressive tools in his one start despite limited reps during the year and far less starting experience.  

Then I ask myself, if the end result 8 times has been losses under Teddy despite the offense having the chance to win or tie on the last drive almost every game outside of Tampa two weeks ago, can the next guy do any worse?  Probably not.

So, I see what the other guys in PJ, and Grier as well, have moving forward.  I think the danger isn't doing worse, the danger is realizing they committed 60+ million to a guy who would be outplayed or equaled by his backups.

[1of10Charnatives]

4 minutes ago, hepcat said:

PJ Walker has 500% more physical talent than Teddy Bridgewater and he deserves a chance to prove himself in the last 4 games the Panthers have this season 

Perhaps but there is a downside risk to yanking your starting qb with two years left on his deal for an UDFA. It could pan out, but on it's face it smells like the kind of thing bad impatient organizations without a plan do out of desperation or lack of conviction in a firm long term process. I agree that Teddy looks less and less like any kind of long term answer. That doesn't mean he isn't the best option on the roster atm. On paper it might make a certain amount of sense, but it also can set a bad precedent.

[hepcat]

1 minute ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Perhaps but there is a downside risk to yanking your starting qb with two years left on his deal for an UDFA. It could pan out, but on it's face it smells like the kind of thing bad impatient organizations without a plan do out of desperation or lack of conviction in a firm long term process. I agree that Teddy looks less and less like any kind of long term answer. That doesn't mean he isn't the best option on the roster atm. On paper it might make a certain amount of sense, but it also can set a bad precedent.

If this coaching staff hasn’t seen enough to know that Teddy Bridgewater is not a franchise QB then I doubt this coaching staff will be here very long.

[Pup McBarky]

16 minutes ago, hepcat said:

PJ Walker has 500% more physical talent than Teddy Bridgewater and he deserves a chance to prove himself in the last 4 games the Panthers have this season 

Posts like this remind me that our fanbase is, generally speaking, ridiculously ignorant.

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Perhaps but there is a downside risk to yanking your starting qb with two years left on his deal for an UDFA. It could pan out, but on it's face it smells like the kind of thing bad impatient organizations without a plan do out of desperation or lack of conviction in a firm long term process. I agree that Teddy looks less and less like any kind of long term answer. That doesn't mean he isn't the best option on the roster atm. On paper it might make a certain amount of sense, but it also can set a bad precedent.

All valid.

[Shotgun]

5 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Perhaps but there is a downside risk to yanking your starting qb with two years left on his deal for an UDFA. It could pan out, but on it's face it smells like the kind of thing bad impatient organizations without a plan do out of desperation or lack of conviction in a firm long term process. I agree that Teddy looks less and less like any kind of long term answer. That doesn't mean he isn't the best option on the roster atm. On paper it might make a certain amount of sense, but it also can set a bad precedent.

It sends a worse message to keep playing Teddy. I dont care what you get paid, if you suck take a seat on the bench. I hope our coaches don't let their egos get in the way. They made a terrible decision signing Teddy and they need to correct it.  

[1of10Charnatives]

6 minutes ago, hepcat said:

If this coaching staff hasn’t seen enough to know that Teddy Bridgewater is not a franchise QB then I doubt this coaching staff will be here very long.

*points at the five years remaining on Rhule's six year deal and Tepper's words about needing patience and winning taking time.* They may very well have decided Bridgewater is not the long term solution. I tend to agree that his crunch time performance is tending to show this pretty starkly. His protection has at times been bad. There was nothing wrong with it on that throw. IMO that still does not mean that the best course of action is to yank him for PJ straightaway.

[Mr. Scot]

24 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I specifically said I doubt he would be. But what I know is that Teddy isn't. I don't know that for sure about Walker and I'd like to find out for sure.

Nowhere did I say you did.

I have, however, had other posters suggest that the fact he wasn't on an NFL roster just meant teams were missing how good he obviously was. Even had Kurt Warner thrown in as a comparison.

That's just silly.

[kungfoodude]

37 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

All we heard last week was how we should discount what PJ did because it was against the Lions and how Teddy would do the same thing or better.  Teddy comes back and blows the game against the 26th ranked scoring defense while putting up a whopping 10 points and leaving at least 11 potential points on the field in the redzone and missed a surefire 7 points by throwing Robbie out of bounds on a wide open streak. 

So, should we say Teddy's performance doesn't count either?