Seriously, it's time to give Walker an honest look

[TheCasillas]

6 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

do you think a quarterback going 3-8 and going directly to the media to throw his coaches under the bus for his own failures fosters a winning culture or a losing culture?

I must have missed this... what did TB say about the coaches to the media?

[GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER]

 

[*FreeFua*]

Some of you are way too deep in your emotions to even have an actual football discussion with. Also doesn’t help that the majority of this board doesn’t quite understand Brady’s offensive system. But with that said...

Bridgewater played awful today. He left plays on the field that he HAS to make if this thing is ever going to work. Everyone is allowed to have a bad game but I do hope during this season of evaluating the roster, that they give PJ another look. PJ is only 25 and quite frankly, showed more during his first NFL game than Tua has this season.

I’m also guessing Rhule and co. see enough of PJ in practice that they have a good idea of what he can do. However, some live game reps at this point isn’t going to hurt anyone. Especially if we have a top 10 pick in this years draft. 

[GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER]

Just now, TheCasillas said:

I must of missed this... what did TB say about the coaches to the media?

keep in mind he missed a wide open receiver on this play

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, TheCasillas said:

I must have missed this... what did TB say about the coaches to the media?

The suggestion that what Bridgewater said constituted "throwing his coaches under the bus" is pretty weak.

[TheCasillas]

1 minute ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

 

What did he say about the coaches?

[GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

The suggestion that what Bridgewater said constituted "throwing his coaches under the bus" is pretty weak.

it’s 100% what he was doing. the play failed because he couldn’t make the throw. end of story. but teddy doesn’t take responsibility like that.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Some of you are way too deep in your emotions to even have an actual football discussion with. Also doesn’t help that the majority of this board doesn’t quite understand Brady’s offensive system. But with that said...

Bridgewater played awful today. He left plays on the field that he HAS to make if this thing is ever going to work. Everyone is allowed to have a bad game but I do hope during this season of evaluating the roster, that they give PJ another look. PJ is only 25 and quite frankly, showed more during his first NFL game than Tua has this season.

I’m also guessing Rhule and co. see enough of PJ in practice that they have a good idea of what he can do. However, some live game reps at this point isn’t going to hurt anyone. Especially if we have a top 10 pick in this years draft. 

I can agree with all of that, provided we're out of it.

(and I feel like it's not going to be long until we are)

[GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER]

1 minute ago, TheCasillas said:

What did he say about the coaches?

he blamed his own failure on the play coming in too late, claiming he “might have audibled” which is hilarious considering the play call resulted in a wide open receiver in the end zone that he just couldn’t hit

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

What did he say about the coaches?

That's it.

[Vagrant]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

In clutch situations Teddy has been terrible. Today he shirked all responsibility for a terrible miss in the end zone on what should've been a game winning TD but instead left our best WR injured. Plain and simple - Teddy isn't the answer.

Walker almost certainly isn't either, but he showed intriguing tools against the Lions. He's more talented than Teddy. Give the guy a chance to show what he can do when actually given the opportunity to prepare as the starter. Use that late game injury Teddy suffered as the excuse if you don't want to publicly bench him.

There's nothing to gain by continuing to trot Teddy out there. You've seen all you need to see. There's nothing to lose by giving Walker a real shot.

this stuff always cracks me up because of fans being so heart invested in a subject they're blind to what's actually happening. trying to bench a guy with the 11th best QBR in the league who is being recognized around the league as a former starter that did it the right way in terms of inducing another chance and put down the roadmap that many expect jameis winston to follow. teddy has been good this year. there are some things that he needs to figure out, but as this offense grows together they're going to start to click. teddy already has excellent chemistry with curtis samuel and robby anderson. during anderson's career, he hasn't once had a target to catch ratio of better than 55%. right now, with teddy, he's at 74.8% which is just ridiculously high. robby is a veteran route runner and his timing with teddy is great. samuel was at 85% coming into this game and went 5 for 5. the rhetoric around the league is about how impressive it is that the offense has continued to move the ball without our MVP candidate of last season and teddy's efficiency is the reason. the job of the quarterback in today's league where most everyone is running WCO is to give your playmakers a chance to make plays. complete a high percentage of your throws and finish drives. teddy has had trouble with the drive finishing part, but he's doing a lot of what he's doing without the two targets that make the red zone a LOT easier for quarterbacks in a big jumpball tight end with hands and a creative pass catcher out of the backfield. one of those we already have, one we will have to find. 

what happened this past game is a combo of factors. the first one being that teddy just didn't have a good game. sometimes quarterbacks don't play well. especially with all the juice he had early on for it being against minnesota. he's had this one circled for a long time and he hyped himself too much for it and his start out of the gate was especially troublesome. the second thing is that he didn't get a lot of help from any other phase. mike davis was decent but there weren't any chunks to be had on the ground and the defense, aside from the two enormous plays by chinn, couldn't solve the vikings. the defensive play calling on that last drive in particular was awe inspiring in a bad way. the offensive play calling tried to get way too cute. they needed to pound that in with mike davis or kill every bit of the clock trying. if you turn the ball over on the 1 after getting stuffed, defend the 99 yards with about 1:20 on the clock and no timeouts for cousins. they shouldn't have put the ball in the air ONCE and they kept doing it and killed the clock at critical stages where it needed to stay running. 

Dj and bridgewater just can't find any common ground. even that redzone play that everybody is blaming solely on teddy was a miscommunication. i think teddy was expecting Dj to realize how open he was and slow down before he ran back into more coverage where the route was taking him and Dj ran it all the way out and the timing was terrible. not a good throw, but do keep in mind that Dj had 9 targets today and only managed to bring in 4 of them. he was so non-competitive on a bunch of his targets as well. that's on him and he's going to have to clean that up. several passes went through his hands today. those two are going to have to put in extensive work, but they truthfully had zero time to learn each other before the start of the season. for those that need visual representation, check out the percentages on targets to catches in this table:

22	Christian McCaffrey	24	rb	3	3	59	225	5	15	3.8	75.0	19.7	19	17	149	8.8	1	24	5.7	49.7	89.5%	7.8	76	4.9	374	6	0
28	Mike Davis	27	rb	11	8	111	449	3	25	4.0	40.8	10.1	56	49	305	6.2	2	23	4.5	27.7	87.5%	5.4	160	4.7	754	5	1
10	Curtis Samuel	24	wr	10	5	26	112	2	17	4.3	11.2	2.6	58	49	445	9.1	3	29	4.9	44.5	84.5%	7.7	75	7.4	557	5	0
11	Robby Anderson	27	WR	11	11	1	3	0	3	3.0	0.3	0.1	95	71	818	11.5	1	75	6.5	74.4	74.7%	8.6	72	11.4	821	1	1
82	Chris Manhertz	28	te	11	7	0	0	0	0		0.0	0.0	7	5	41	8.2	0	17	0.5	3.7	71.4%	5.9	5	8.2	41	0	0
80	Ian Thomas	24	te	11	7	0	0	0	0		0.0	0.0	18	12	93	7.8	1	21	1.1	8.5	66.7%	5.2	12	7.8	93	1	1
15	Seth Roberts	29		7	1	0	0	0	0		0.0	0.0	6	4	31	7.8	0	12	0.6	4.4	66.7%	5.2	4	7.8	31	0	0
12	D.J. Moore	23	WR	11	11	1	21	0	21	21.0	1.9	0.1	80	46	863	18.8	4	74	4.2	78.5	57.5%	10.8	47	18.8	884	4	0

 

fortunately or unfortunately, teddy bridgewater is your quarterback. how you feel about that is up to your discretion and your level of football knowledge, but do know that not a solitary soul in that building is considering starting anyone at QB over teddy when he's healthy because they know all this. this wasn't intended to be a short marriage. 

[GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's it.

unless you can explain why “the play came in late” and “he might have audibled” is relevant to him missing a wide open receiver to secure the win then yeah, that’s exactly it. teddy once again passing the blame and pointing fingers, as local reporter nick carboni points out

[kungfoodude]

He didn't throw the coaches under the bus. He just didn't accept his share of the responsibility, which everyone should probably have a problem with. 

[hepcat]

4 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

it’s 100% what he was doing. the play failed because he couldn’t make the throw. end of story. but teddy doesn’t take responsibility like that.

I guess we are learning that Bridgewater is the Ron Rivera of players. Cam was the first player to take blame for a loss every time. Rhule has been good at taking the blame and took all the blame for the loss today. Haven’t heard Bridgewater take  blame for a loss yet