No more defending Teddy...

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, YoungPanthers89 said:

This is never the answer 

Yes it is, if you understand what a game manager actually is.

Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Joe Montana...all game managers.

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

Its one thing to be bad. Its another to be so bad you get better players injured

[KSpan]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yes it is, if you understand what a game manager actually is.

Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Joe Montana...all game managers.

Those guys all knew when to take deep (like actual deep, not 20 yards deep) shots and when to do so, on top of being capable. The guys you're naming are all also top NFL all-time QBs, so if that's what's required for a WC offense then Carolina is in trouble and better get to looking.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, KSpan said:

Those guys all knew when to take deep (like actual deep, not 20 yards deep) shots and when to do so, on top of being capable. The guys you're naming are all also top NFL all-time QBs, so if that's what's required for a WC offense then Carolina is in trouble and better get to looking.

Game manager is a style of play, not a description of ability.

This is where people mess it up.

[KSpan]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Game manager is a style of play, not a description of ability.

This is where people mess it up.

Perhaps, but in practice you don't hear that applied to guys that can dynamically control a game. All of these guys you named can/could do that.

[Proudiddy]

14 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Disagree completely.

We're running a West Coast attack. The ideal quarterback for this kind of offense is a game manager type.

We just need one that's a better starter than Bridgewater.

Scot, I respect your knowledge and opinion on football matters, but it feels like you are just going out of your way to play devil's advocate today.  

No system dictates a QB entirely be a robot.  Brees' ability to manipulate a defense, improvise, and create with his legs (even if he doesn't actually scramble) have made him almost impossible to defend.  Aaron Rodgers has been in a west coast offense his entire career, and yet, his ability to improvise and create on his own is also otherworldly.  They don't game manage.  They make plays.  Teddy doesn't, he relies on others to do it all for him with very few exceptions sprinkled throughout with all the games ending in almost the exact same fashion.  A QB who can consistently and successfully improvise is a must in today's NFL, regardless of the system they're in.  Hell, the only reason Minnesota was able to come back was in large part because of Cousins' improvisation.

[MechaZain]

Not going to get into the semantics of the term "game manager" but I'm with Scot here. This offense is absolutely built for a dink and dunk QB who can keep defenses honest with the occasional deep throw. It's why I was optimistic for Teddy going into this season but he's not good enough at either side of that equation to pull it off. He's a poor man's Brees. 

[hepcat]

Teddy needs to be left in Minnesota

[mav1234]

I mean, I don't think "game manager" strictly refers to a style of play. It also refers to limitations a QB has, either physically or mentally, with their game that requires them to carefully manage a game because they can't be dynamic playmakers when it is necessary.  It is frequently used as a way to indicate a mediocre to decent starter, but not a great talent.

[saX man]

1 minute ago, Proudiddy said:

Scot, I respect your knowledge and opinion on football matters, but it feels like you are just going out of your way to play devil's advocate today.  

No system dictates a QB be a robot.  Brees ability to manipulate a defense, improvise, and create with his legs (even if he doesn't actually scramble) have made him almost impossible to defend.  Aaron Rodgers has been in a west coast offense his entire career, and yet, his ability to improvise and create on his own is also otherworldly.  They don't game manage.  They make plays.  Teddy doesn't, he relies on others to do it all for him with very few exceptions sprinkled throughout with all the games ending in almost the exact same fashion.  A QB who can consistently and successfully improvise is a must in today's NFL, regardless of the system they're in.  Hell, the only reason Minnesota was able to come back was in large part because of Cousins' improvisation.

Not to pile on Scot because I also respect the dude but I agree about the Rodgers assessment.  Brees & Rodgers are two solid modern examples of what I'm looking towards and Brady's bit of NFL experience was with Brees. 

It's the "mobile" enough approach with the quick release that makes them great.  It's more elusive but remaining passers. 

When average QBs are evading, they completely lose focus of the field but the really good ones have that improv ability to weave and keep their eyes ahead.  It doesn't make them a mobile QB but that modern agile, quick but ballsy decision maker.

I see that in Wilson so much this season and it's a big reason why I want him so badly along with his arm. 

[TheMaulClaw]

17 minutes ago, Growl said:

Okay sorry I wasn't clear:

 

I was just laying it on, Bridgewater actually plays all four Qtrs, and will absolutely command a solid trade market from QB desperate franchises

Kyle Allen was better.

No GM in their right mind will take on his 20 mill a year price tag. 

It was a bad signing by us. One of Hurneys worst. A bad experiment. No one will want an injury prone noodle arm who chokes in the clutch.

Right now..

what starter is he better then?  Darnold?

 

[CarolinaRideorDie]

Kind of weird to say but at least Rivera knew that Haskins wasn't a franchise QB and made the decision to sit him and rather start a crippled Alex Smith. I hope Rhule isn't wearing rose-colored glasses and thinks TB is franchise QB material. 

[JawnyBlaze]

Pie for op, pie for a lotta posts here. I just don’t have any more to give out lol

[saX man]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Game manager is a style of play, not a description of ability.

This is where people mess it up.

So how does that give it exclusivity from being a gunslinger? My understanding of that description has always been more of a base-line description for a "good enough" QB for any particular offense.  They can manage the game, grasp the playbook, execute most of the time.  I don't want to get caught in semantics since these are very loose terms.  What is your view on it?

I'm just getting at wanting someone who can improvise and evade.  We don't need a running quarterback but one that has that elusiveness, extra pzaz, grit, intangible element.  Teddy doesn't have it.