DJ Moore with Kyle Allen and Teddy B

[Carl Spackler]

Figured this thread would piss off more people. You know, the out-of-touch ones who think he’s a WR3 or whatever and not a top-5 NFL WR

[LinvilleGorge]

5 hours ago, Vagrant said:

here are some cold stats for people implying that DJ Moore is being held back by Teddy Bridgewater

Catch Percentage Min. 15 Targets:

CMC: 89.5% on 19 targets

Mike Davis: 87.5% on 56 targets

Curtis Samuel: 84.5% on 59 targets

Robby Anderson: 74.7% on 94 targets

Ian Thomas: 66.7% on 16 targets

DJ Moore: 57.5% on 80 targets

 

That is the full list. 57.5% is not the formula to get more targets. Those are Ted Ginn levels of inconsistency. I love DJ Moore, but let's not make him into something that he's not. He's got the second most targets on the team and those numbers up there tell the story. You throw to Robby Anderson he's going to catch 3 out of 4 of them. You throw to DJ he's going to catch 2 of 4 of them. You take out the incompletions thrown at DJ and Bridgewater is probably sitting at 75% completion percentage on the season, but go off about how TB can't find his targets. 

Teddy can't throw deep. 

Average target distance:

Moore - 12.6

Anderson - 9.3

Samuel - 6.0

[beo]

38 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

Figured this thread would piss off more people. You know, the out-of-touch ones who think he’s a WR3 or whatever and not a top-5 NFL WR

I'm convinced that the WR1 stigma this fanbase has had for years is a strange mixture of Julio Jones trauma (which is why the bar is set so highly) and us having no WRs for so many seasons.

I don't think there's any other fanbase that obsesses over it this badly. We have a clear WR1 and it still gets talked about, though to a lesser extent 

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, beo said:

I'm convinced that the WR1 stigma this fanbase has had for years is a strange mixture of Julio Jones trauma (which is why the bar is set so highly) and us having no WRs for so many seasons.

I don't think there's any other fanbase that obsesses over it this badly. We have a clear WR1 and it still gets talked about, though to a lesser extent 

It's really weird. For a team that has such atrocious history at the position, we sure do have lofty expectations for what qualifies as a #1 WR. Smitty is the only one in franchise history that even comes close. You pretty much have to be a consensus top 3 NFL WR for this fanbase to consider you a #1 WR.

[beo]

17 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's really weird. For a team that has such atrocious history at the position, we sure do have lofty expectations for what qualifies as a #1 WR. Smitty is the only one in franchise history that even comes close. You pretty much have to be a consensus top 3 NFL WR for this fanbase to consider you a #1 WR.

The first sentence is exactly what makes me suspect that the unreasonably high expectations are in part because of Julio Jones roasting our secondary for the past near decade which caused an infatuation with only labeling top 3 WRs as "True WR1s". For a team that has had such a bad history you'd think that they'd take just about anything and maybe have standards a bit too low, but apparently not.

[1of10Charnatives]

13 hours ago, TikTOK said:

This offense is a franchise QB and above average OL away from being a top 3-5 unstoppable offense. 

Hey only 6 of the 11 positions on offense! At least one of those isn’t the hardest position to fill in football and another the second hardest. To be fair we’ve got one tackle, so there’s that. Just a QB, LT, C and both guards to go.

[DaveThePanther2008]

Just now, TikTOK said:

We should build the OL thru free agency. There are some good ones this off season. 

Tepper said we would be aggressive in Free Agency but I haven't really seen it outside of Anderson. 

I would love to see us get a couple quality linemen in Free Agency.  It makes the draft much easier and the possibility to take the multiple needs we have. 

[1of10Charnatives]

6 hours ago, TikTOK said:

We should build the OL thru free agency. There are some good ones this off season. 

Name for me the last quality LT without major age or injury issues that hit FA. I’ll wait.

Also Hurney’s track record with OL FA signings is spectacular, so I see why you’d want to go that route.

[Davidson Deac II]

6 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Tepper said we would be aggressive in Free Agency but I haven't really seen it outside of Anderson. 

I would love to see us get a couple quality linemen in Free Agency.  It makes the draft much easier and the possibility to take the multiple needs we have. 

We certainly couldn't be aggressive in free agency this past year.  Although we did do a good job signing Anderson.  We will have more cap space available next year though.  

[Davidson Deac II]

31 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Name for me the last quality LT without major age or injury issues that hit FA. I’ll wait.

Gary Zimmerman.  Also, Whitworth of the Rams has done fairly well, although he was old when he was signed.

[1of10Charnatives]

3 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Gary Zimmerman.  

Ed Zachary.

[1of10Charnatives]

3 hours ago, TikTOK said:

I was going to keep you waiting longer but oh well. I’m not going to name just “LT”. There have been plenty of good “tackles” in past free agencies. Andre Whitworth, Jack Conklin, Trent Brown, Nate Solder, Riley Reiff, Russell Okung. These are just some guys in the most recent FAs that I can remember.

Well since I specified LT, which is the key position and hardest to fill, I'm going to just ignore Conklin and Brown, who both play the right side. You don't get to just change the criteria of the question because you feel like it.  Solder, Whitworth and Okung all signed to play on the wrong side of 30, so your answer attempts to ignore the very pertinent age issue. We don't need to sign an aging LT who won't be around in a few years, we already have one of those. Speaking of, Okung also came with major injury concerns which have proven valid as he's hardly played enough this year to call that signing a success. We all know that insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, so no aging LT FA's please.

That leaves you with Riley Reiff, the sole quality LT FA signing of the past 5 years. I'd also note that Reiff became a FA from Detroit, a place many players are so eager to leave that generational talents like Barry Sanders and Megatron retire in their prime rather than stay there. Please name for me the quality LEFT tackle (since we already have our RT) under 30 of Reiff's caliber or better that you expect to be available this offseason in FA.

It's conceivable we might pick up a starting guard or maybe even two, something I'd be all for, but I don't see Hurney admitting Paradis as a mistake by shopping for a starting FA center this offseason. We're likely stuck with him for another year. I see our best case scenario being resign Moton, pick up 2 FA guards (unlikely but I did say best case) and draft a LT prospect. It seems doubtful we'll be in position to get Sewell, but Cosmi and Leatherwood look entirely possible atm. Excuse me while I flog this dead horse in pointing out that taking Little when McCoy was available seems likely to haunt this team for years. If we'd done that, we could have a fair shot at going into next year with an impressive line.

As it stands I'd put it at no more than 50/50 LT gets addressed in a meaningful way this coming offseason, and I'd be genuinely shocked if they looked to replace Paradis or prioritize drafting his eventual replacement. So I think it's likely we're at least one more year after this before our line has a real chance for a completed overhaul.

Oh look, by sheer coincidence, the line would be finished right about the time Bridgewater is going into the last year of his contract. If we keep our current skill position players, that would give the powers that be a full season to see what Teddy could do surrounded by a high quality offense. If he looks great, great. If not, any young QB prospect we go after at that point would come in surrounded by talent. Just the sort of scenario that maximizes a young prospects chances of long term success.

[1of10Charnatives]

43 minutes ago, TikTOK said:

Are you trying to write a novel? 

No I type fast and other people's ADD is not my problem.

[1of10Charnatives]

59 minutes ago, TikTOK said:

Keyboard warrior ey?

Nah I just pigeonhole people in a negative way so I can easily dismiss them without confronting the substance of their arguments.