Slye or Butker

[TheCasillas]

4 hours ago, Moo Daeng said:

Butker and its not even close. There isn't a measure by which Slye is better.

I'd say its pretty close.... Considering two of Slye's misses were 64 yards + attempts and 4 of his 5 misses were 50 yards or more.

Player	Team	Gms	PAT	FG	0-19	20-29	30-39	40-49	50+	Lg	Pts
Rodrigo Blankenship	IND	10	25/27	23/26	0/0	5/5	10/11	8/9	0/1	44	94
Daniel Carlson	LV	10	31/32	21/23	0/0	9/9	6/6	2/4	4/4	54	94
Wil Lutz	NO	10	34/34	19/21	0/0	5/6	8/8	5/5	1/2	53	91
Younghoe Koo	ATL	9	18/21	24/25	0/0	6/6	6/6	7/8	5/5	54	90
Jason Sanders	MIA	10	24/24	22/23	0/0	5/5	3/3	8/9	6/6	56	90
Ryan Succop	TB	10	30/32	20/22	0/0	6/6	7/7	6/7	1/2	50	90
Joey Slye	CAR	11	23/25	22/27	0/0	8/8	7/7	6/7	1/5	56	89
Tyler Bass	BUF	10	29/30	19/25	1/1	4/4	4/7	6/7	4/6	58	86
Justin Tucker	BAL	10	29/29	19/20	0/0	5/5	4/4	8/8	2/3	55	86
Randy Bullock	CIN	10	21/22	20/24	0/0	3/3	8/10	6/7	3/4	55	81
Graham Gano	NYG	10	16/16	21/22	0/0	4/4	8/8	5/5	4/5	55	79
Chris Boswell	PIT	10	30/33	16/17	0/0	2/2	6/6	7/8	1/1	59	78
Brandon McManus	DEN	10	18/19	20/21	0/0	4/4	2/2	8/8	6/7	56	78
Harrison Butker	KC	10	32/38	15/17	1/1	3/3	7/7	1/3	3/3	58	77
Zane Gonzalez	ARI	10	32/33	15/19	0/0	4/4	2/2	7/10	2/3	56	77

[BlazeCarolina]

2 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

Where are you getting he is the best kicker in the nfl?  Statistically he is middle of the road for kickers this year.

Probably just a slightly outdated sentiment.  He was ranked like #2 last year and given his age, you could make the argument.  With us having an open wound, easy to see why this comes up a lot.

[WarHeel]

19 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

You are misremembering.

 

How so?

[EgoDogg]

5 hours ago, BrianS said:

*sigh*

Butker is still the better kicker.  I don't want to re-hash the whole Butker / Gano thing again, it's exhausting, but between Slye and Butker, I'd rather have Butker.

I hate cherry picking stats, but I'm not going to include the 65 and 67 yarders against Slye because that is absolutely unfair to include looking at the numbers straight-on. 

Butker wins in the overall sample size and consistently, by a wide margin right now, but Slye has made some GREAT strides since last season. Instead of looking at the grass being greener, I prefer not to live in the past (by your comments, sounds like you're in the same boat, but many here can't move on) / coulda-shoulda-woulda. I'm be happy with his progression.

This Season:

Field Goals:
Butker - 15 for 17 = 88.2%
Slye - 22 for 25 = 88% (excluding 65 & 67 yarder)

Extra Points:
Butker - 32 for 38 = 84.2%
Slye - 23 for 25 = 92%

[Ricky Spanish]

Slye is doing better than I thought he would this year.

Would still rather have Butker even on his down year.

Such is life. 

[Khyber53]

1 hour ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

No one is whining over Butker.  It was a comparison.  I like Slye and very happy we have him.  The dude has a cannon for a leg and somewhere in time he is going to set the record.  He missed that 67 yarder by a foot and IMO didn't get a solid hit on the ball. 

He's also built like a linebacker.  The guy must be a workout warrior.  Did you hear the commentators talking about his cannons.

Oh, I know you're happy with him and I am, too. But yes, there is still a massive amount of whining about Butker on this board.

[thefuzz]

1 hour ago, WarHeel said:

How so?

Pretty sure I recall Gano being injured prior to the extension.

Could be off on that though.

[BrianS]

1 hour ago, EgoDogg said:

I hate cherry picking stats, but I'm not going to include the 65 and 67 yarders against Slye because that is absolutely unfair to include looking at the numbers straight-on. 

Butker wins in the overall sample size and consistently, by a wide margin right now, but Slye has made some GREAT strides since last season. Instead of looking at the grass being greener, I prefer not to live in the past (by your comments, sounds like you're in the same boat, but many here can't move on) / coulda-shoulda-woulda. I'm be happy with his progression.

This Season:

Field Goals:
Butker - 15 for 17 = 88.2%
Slye - 22 for 25 = 88% (excluding 65 & 67 yarder)

Extra Points:
Butker - 32 for 38 = 84.2%
Slye - 23 for 25 = 92%

You say you hate doing it . . . and then you did it.

How do you know which Butker kicks to "take out" over his career?  Have you watched every Butker kick in context of the game situation to decide which ones he shouldn't be responsible for making?  I know, I know.  No one does that.  But the point remains, how many of Butkers kicks should be given the same consideration?  I bet you there are some. 

I hesitate to point it out, but in fact Butker has hit a longer FG (58) this year than Slye (56).  It's not like Butker is being handed "easy" kicks.  Butker simply doesn't get as many FG's because KC, well, they stick it in the end zone way more often.

Sure, Slye is improving and as a Panthers fan I'm very excited to see it, but he's also known to be inconsistent.  I want to see him develop that consistency over more than a few games.  I've seen him have a few good games.  Right now, Butker is the better kicker.  People who can't see that are still trying to justify why he's here instead of either of the other kickers who "might" have been.

[WarHeel]

14 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Pretty sure I recall Gano being injured prior to the extension.

Could be off on that though.

I think he had another injury the year prior but seemed to return to form. Injuries are one of those hindsight things. People are saying similar things about Christian but his resume said consistently healthy prior to this year. Hard to predict those things. 

[thefuzz]

35 minutes ago, WarHeel said:

I think he had another injury the year prior but seemed to return to form. Injuries are one of those hindsight things. People are saying similar things about Christian but his resume said consistently healthy prior to this year. Hard to predict those things. 

Injury is hard to predict, not questioning that, however Gano was a lifelong streaky kicker, we paid him like one of the very best, while having a much cheaper and younger player signed for much longer already in place.

Was a bad move then, still a bad move.

Butker would still be on his rookie deal right now had we kept him, or at the very least would have just signed an extension.

 

[WarHeel]

44 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Injury is hard to predict, not questioning that, however Gano was a lifelong streaky kicker, we paid him like one of the very best, while having a much cheaper and younger player signed for much longer already in place.

Was a bad move then, still a bad move.

Butker would still be on his rookie deal right now had we kept him, or at the very least would have just signed an extension.

 

Sometimes Hurney knocks them out of the park and other times he strikes out. No denying that.

[Davidson Deac II]

13 minutes ago, WarHeel said:

Sometimes Hurney knocks them out of the park and other times he strikes out. No denying that.

In that regard, he is just like every other GM/Team in the league.  All of them have their home runs and strikeouts.    

[MasterAwesome]

7 minutes ago, BrianS said:

You say you hate doing it . . . and then you did it.

How do you know which Butker kicks to "take out" over his career?  Have you watched every Butker kick in context of the game situation to decide which ones he shouldn't be responsible for making?  I know, I know.  No one does that.  But the point remains, how many of Butkers kicks should be given the same consideration?  I bet you there are some. 

I hesitate to point it out, but in fact Butker has hit a longer FG (58) this year than Slye (56).  It's not like Butker is being handed "easy" kicks.  Butker simply doesn't get as many FG's because KC, well, they stick it in the end zone way more often.

Sure, Slye is improving and as a Panthers fan I'm very excited to see it, but he's also known to be inconsistent.  I want to see him develop that consistency over more than a few games.  I've seen him have a few good games.  Right now, Butker is the better kicker.  People who can't see that are still trying to justify why he's here instead of either of the other kickers who "might" have been.

If that's the case, then they sure as hell need a kicker who is reliable at XPs, which is not Butker this year.

[Anybodyhome]

I'll take Slye, only because I want to see him use those guns on some poor, unsuspecting kick returner, Todd Sauerbrun style.