Was the defense better because Whitehead and Jackson didn’t play?

[NJPanthers12]

2 hours ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Nah. He's been pretty bad.

He has 3 picks, two were terrible throws that happened to be aimed right at Jackson, and one was a legitimately good read on the QB where he broke on the ball. 

He's been getting burned a ton, he can't tackle, and he gets out bodied by any receiver bigger than him (which is all of them). 

Our best corner this year has surprisingly been Corn Elder.

Wildly inaccurate. When donte Jackson has been on the field it has been the best he’s been since he’s been here. 

[DeAngelo Beason]

Just now, CRA said:

Golladay is legit too.  

so they basically were missing the #1 and #3 WR and best RB.  Stafford a busted thumb on his throwing hand. 

I mean if we are honest our great defensive showing that looked unlike anything we have seen all year....had a lot to do with the Lions injuries. 

Pretty much.  I'm confident we would have won either way, but it wouldn't have been a blowout.

 

[Ricky Spanish]

2 minutes ago, NJPanthers12 said:

Wildly inaccurate. When donte Jackson has been on the field it has been the best he’s been since he’s been here. 

I disagree. 

QB Rating has improved but he's allowing more receptions, a higher comp%, and his tackling has gotten twice as bad. His PFF rating was higher is rookie year. 

That's just stats, there's other instances on film where he is not doing what needs to be done. Could very well be the injury this year, but the dude is so small, injuries are a major concern for him throughout his career. Availability is an ability. I am not sold on him as a future starter on the team. Corn is a better slot corner (at least this year, which is weird to say) and Douglas looks better suited to be a #2 than Donte. 

If I'm the FO, I look at moving him in the offseason for draft capital or help on the O-line/LB core. 

[Varking]

4 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

I disagree. 

QB Rating has improved but he's allowing more receptions, a higher comp%, and his tackling has gotten twice as bad. His PFF rating was higher is rookie year. 

That's just stats, there's other instances on film where he is not doing what needs to be done. Could very well be the injury this year, but the dude is so small, injuries are a major concern for him throughout his career. Availability is an ability. I am not sold on him as a future starter on the team. Corn is a better slot corner (at least this year, which is weird to say) and Douglas looks better suited to be a #2 than Donte. 

If I'm the FO, I look at moving him in the offseason for draft capital or help on the O-line/LB core. 

He’s also covering number ones instead of twos and threes his rookie year and our pass rush was far better previous years. 

[ScottyAbe31]

5 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Please don't give me the injury bullshyt.  CMC was out and so was our starting QB.  Injuries affect every team and have to use subs.  Our CB are young but could have been had but our D-Line did an amazing job today.

Jackson is a good CB but can't stay on the field.  The MLB is a very key position on the defense and that one player can affect the whole defense.  Carter played well and should be given the nod against the Vikings regardless if Whitehead is available to play. 

I'll repeat what I told the first guy. Our offensive injuries do not affect who we faced on defence. You're taking it out of context. This is a defence thread.

[ScottyAbe31]

1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

Actually it does. Our offense scoring points and occupying the clock limits their offensive opportunities and field position. Additionally playing with a lead limits what Detroit could  do to get back into the game running the ball for example. One side of the ball effects the other side and football is the ultimate team sport.

This is a thread talking strictly about our defence vs their offence. Their offence is arguable the worst we have ever seen. This is typical huddle getting super hyped over nothing. Sure we played well but we've seen our D against even just average teams. It is not there yet.

[Ricky Spanish]

13 minutes ago, Varking said:

He’s also covering number ones instead of twos and threes his rookie year and our pass rush was far better previous years. 

Is he covering 1's and 2's though? I don't remember seeing him on Julio, Hopkins, or Evans this season. Could be wrong, but again, he has been leaving early for a lot of games this season. 

[Varking]

15 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Is he covering 1's and 2's though? I don't remember seeing him on Julio, Hopkins, or Evans this season. Could be wrong, but again, he has been leaving early for a lot of games this season. 

He was absolutely getting destroyed by Julio. People were upset because he was playing like 8 yards off of him on every play. 

[Untouchable]

Courtesy of @ellis

Brought energy onto the field again.

[hepcat]

1 minute ago, Untouchable said:

Courtesy of @ellis

Brought energy onto the field again.

Way better than Tahir Whitehead. 

[hepcat]

5 minutes ago, TikTOK said:

Detroit is such a bad team with a terrible head coach. Take this win with a grain of salt. 

Rhule has said that Paterno told him “you’re never as bad as you think you are” after a loss, and “you’re never as good as you think you are” after a win. I think that applies here especially. But same as those close losses against good teams earlier this year, the same is true that the team isn’t that bad.

[thefuzz]

This board, and most folks out there way overvalue picks.  That's not a good barometer for CB play...picks are the sprinkles/walnuts/cherries on top...or whatever you like to add.

[Mr. Scot]

12 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

This board, and most folks out there way overvalue picks.  That's not a good barometer for CB play...picks are the sprinkles/walnuts/cherries on top...or whatever you like to add.

People used to think Charles Godfrey was good because he got highlight reel interceptions, but it was a different story if you watched his full game tape.

Same thing with Donte Jackson. He's had some good "right place,right time" moments, but the reality is he gives up as many big plays as he makes (sometimes more) and he's a huge liability against the run.

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

People used to think Charles Godfrey was good because he got highlight reel interceptions, but it was a different story if you watched his full game tape.

Same thing with Donte Jackson. He's had some good "right place,right time" moments, but the reality is he gives up as many big plays as he makes (sometimes more) and he's a huge liability against the run.

He gives me a lot more "holy poo" bad plays than "holy poo" great/good plays.

The exact opposite of someone like say Gilmore or Bradberry.