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Outside of a QB who do you have and why?

DaveThePanther2008

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7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This. Constantly spending huge resources at LB and RB hasn't worked out well for us as a franchise, yet here we have many Panthers fans wanting to spend another high first round pick on a LB.

Luke,  TD, Beason and Morgan didn't work out well?  Shaq not so much but our 1st round LBs have been stellar. 

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46 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Everyone wants a QB and rightly so but our chances of getting one of the top tier QB is slim.   

This is far from true. Our chances of getting Lawrence or Fields are very slim and yes they're the clear top 2, but Lance and Wilson are both in that top tier of QB prospects in this draft, for sure. And both of those guys are very much in play.

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11 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This. Constantly spending huge resources at LB and RB hasn't worked out well for us as a franchise, yet here we have many Panthers fans wanting to spend another high first round pick on a LB.

I like the Parsons kid but unless he is BPA at the time we pick, no way I make another LB pick. I know we need one but fug me running we gotta eventually pay attention to positional value. 

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9 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This. Constantly spending huge resources at LB and RB hasn't worked out well for us as a franchise, yet here we have many Panthers fans wanting to spend another high first round pick on a LB.

Investing in LB has not been one of our problems by any means. Our defense was mostly great from 2013-2017 largely because of Luke and TD. Agree on RB, but paying LB or drafting them high hasn't hurt us at all for the most part. That being said, investing in the WRONG LB in Shaq, has hurt us. Not because he's a LB but because he's just not that good and is very replaceable. Not a fan of drafting a LB this year, but if we could get another Luke or TD caliber LB in the draft, I wouldn't be against it.

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2 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Luke,  TD, Beason and Morgan didn't work out well?  Shaq not so much but our 1st round LBs have been stellar. 

You're looking too small. Look at the bigger picture. We've had Sam Mills, Dan Morgan, Jon Beason, Luke Kuechly. No one in the league can match our talent at MLB since we entered the league, yet we have a losing record as a franchise and non-pass rushing LBs are increasingly less vital than they used to be. One of the reasons we've never had sustained success and have a losing record as a franchise is because we have refused to adapt as the game of football evolves. Dumping all your resources into RB and LB is being stuck in the 1980s.

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1 minute ago, t96 said:

Investing in LB has not been one of our problems by any means. Our defense was mostly great from 2013-2017 largely because of Luke and TD. Agree on RB, but paying LB or drafting them high hasn't hurt us at all for the most part. That being said, investing in the WRONG LB in Shaq, has hurt us. Not because he's a LB but because he's just not that good and is very replaceable. Not a fan of drafting a LB this year, but if we could get another Luke or TD caliber LB in the draft, I wouldn't be against it.

Again, looking too small. Investments aren't made in a vacuum. There's opportunity cost there as well. Those resources spent on LBs (and RBs) could have been spent on players with higher positional value. One of the reasons why we've always sucked at OL and DB is because of those resources tied up at LB and RB. We've been focusing on the wrong spots and our overall record reflects that.

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You're looking too small. Look at the bigger picture. We've had Sam Mills, Dan Morgan, Jon Beason, Luke Kuechly. No one in the league can match our talent at MLB since we entered the league, yet we have a losing record as a franchise and non-pass rushing LBs are increasingly less vital than they used to be. One of the reasons we've never had sustained success and have a losing record as a franchise is because we have refused to adapt as the game of football evolves. Dumping all your resources into RB and LB is being stuck in the 1980s.

The evaluation of those players were spot on and they played great for us.  So your change your evaluation process and get those players that fit the mold of the 21st Century. 

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3 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

The evaluation of those players were spot on and they played great for us.  So your change your evaluation process and get those players that fit the mold of the 21st Century. 

At the right positions. Every time you spend highly valued resources in the form of a draft pick or salary cap at a non-premium position, you could've also spent those resources at a position of higher value. I'd rather have a decent MLB and an elite pass rusher rather than vice versa, but you sure as hell don't settle for a Tahir Whitehead either.

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48 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

OL or DB. Really depends on where we draft. 

I REALLY wish we would have kept Bradberry over Shaq last offseason. Dude is playing fantastic. 

Anyone with a brain knew that was the right move.

So what do the Panthers do?  The exact opposite.

It's almost like our GM doesn't understand basic roster construction.

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1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

Anyone with a brain knew that was the right move.

So what do the Panthers do?  The exact opposite.

It's almost like our GM doesn't understand basic roster construction.

Hurney is living in the past in terms of positional value. He also has a fetish for "project" players.

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