Talk to me about Trask

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't really agree with that. You take the guy that is going to be the best player available. The history of reaching on QB's in the first round is extremely bad. This draft has a couple of elite guys, a guy that might be elite and a bunch of varying levels of potentially good QB's. Get the best player wherever we are drafting, if it happens to be a QB, so be it. There is no reason to overdraft a QB(Will Grier/Jimmy Clausen). We aren't going to be good next year and we have a lot of needs.

It wouldn't be a reach though, Wilson and Lance are legit good QB prospects. They are much better prospects than say, EJ Manuel, Johnny Manziel, Paxton Lynch etc. Trask is whatever, though. He's late 1st/2nd round potential and would be a reach.

[nctarheelreincarnated]

He's on pace to break Burrow's records too. Which is absurd. 

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, nctarheelreincarnated said:

Yeah, Wilson is who I want. 

He'd probably be ideal for being in the 7th to 10th range. 

[CRA]

2 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Not very athletic.  No cannon for an arm.  Deadly accurate.  Good pocket presence.   

so a Tom Brady skillset. 

[kungfoodude]

Just now, nctarheelreincarnated said:

He's on pace to break Burrow's records too. Which is absurd. 

Always be way of college football records. Go through the record books and you will see why. 

[kungfoodude]

Just now, CRA said:

so a Tom Brady skillset. 

Yeah but is he an otherwordly level of competitor like Tom? Brady is probably the most elite competitor at that position in the history of the game. 

[nctarheelreincarnated]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

Always be way of college football records. Go through the record books and you will see why. 

Meh, Kyler had some records, he's a beast. Burrow has some records, he's damn good. Recently, I can't agree. Prior to the recent QB's, I concur. 

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

It wouldn't be a reach though, Wilson and Lance are legit good QB prospects. They are much better prospects than say, EJ Manuel, Johnny Manziel, Paxton Lynch etc. Trask is whatever, though. He's late 1st/2nd round potential and would be a reach.

The book is out on Lance. He seems like the classic boom or bust prospect that basically appears every other draft. Predictably most bust rather than boom. This is definitely looking like a strong QB class but if you removed Lawrence and Fields, it wouldn't be a class that would be considered much more than average. It's largely buoyed by having two elite QB prospects and a lot of quality depth.

[TheProcess]

I like his accuracy and pocket presence, and he is playing really well. However, I have concerns. Doesn't have ideal arm strength, but enough to make it work with decision making and accuracy. Accuracy is good, but decision making needs to improve. He is playing on a loaded Florida team, and his athletes make plays on balls that should not be thrown, that want work in the NFL. He is not athletic at all, like at all!  His best showing against a top end opponent was against Georgia. However, he did throw a pick 6 in that game, and Georgia was down both starting safeties in that game. I have him as the 6th QB in the draft.

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Another guy with low athleticism. Don't be fooled by Alabama QB's. There hasn't been a good one yet, pending Tua results.

True.  But I apply a little of what I do with Fields to Mac.   The Ohio St  and Bama offenses are simply different now.  I don't expect Fields to be a standard Ohio St drafted QB.  Nor do I think Mac is going to McCarron or McElroy.   

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, nctarheelreincarnated said:

Meh, Kyler had some records, he's a beast. Burrow has some records, he's damn good. Recently, I can't agree. Prior to the recent QB's, I concur. 

Kyler seems to be solidifying himself as a "future" elite QB, although it's probably early to anoint him yet. Burrow has looked okay for what he is working with but he's also by far the least impressive first round rookie QB this season(behind Herbert, Tua). I'd say the book is pretty clearly out on him.

Mayfield, Mariota and Winston were also video game stat guys and all of them have been struggling. Don't get too focused on the Mahomes, Jackson's, etc. Those guys are outliers for a reason. More to the point, those were also guys largely off the elite radar when they were drafted.

[nctarheelreincarnated]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Kyler seems to be solidifying himself as a "future" elite QB, although it's probably early to anoint him yet. Burrow has looked okay for what he is working with but he's also by far the least impressive first round rookie QB this season(behind Herbert, Tua). I'd say the book is pretty clearly out on him.

Mayfield, Mariota and Winston were also video game stat guys and all of them have been struggling. Don't get too focused on the Mahomes, Jackson's, etc. Those guys are outliers for a reason. More to the point, those were also guys largely off the elite radar when they were drafted.

To be fair, Mayfield had great numbers his last year. But, it wasn't anything compared to Kyler's or Burrows. Winston had some records his first year starting..............after that............well.

I was never a fan of Mariota. Just meh to me. 

Back to Murray. Huge fan of his coming out of OU, I wanted to trade Cam, a first rounder for him, and whatever else needed to be traded for him. I knew he was going to be good. Watched him a ton in College. Kid just has it. 

Lastly, I'm STILL not sold on Lamar Jackson. Guys just too inaccurate for me to keep saying he has "it." He's been very pedestrian this year, numbers wise. 

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Kyler seems to be solidifying himself as a "future" elite QB, although it's probably early to anoint him yet. Burrow has looked okay for what he is working with but he's also by far the least impressive first round rookie QB this season(behind Herbert, Tua). I'd say the book is pretty clearly out on him.

Mayfield, Mariota and Winston were also video game stat guys and all of them have been struggling. Don't get too focused on the Mahomes, Jackson's, etc. Those guys are outliers for a reason. More to the point, those were also guys largely off the elite radar when they were drafted.

I was a Burrow hater/doubter.  Burrow has been great IMO given his situation.  I think he looks the best of the rookie class.   Wouldn't put him behind Herbert.  Tua doesn't have the reps to be ahead IMO.   But Tua has looked good. 

[Shocker]

Would like to hear @Varking opinion on Trask.  He tracks prospects and is a Florida fan so he would probably have good info on him.

Trask was JAG last year but making some progress it appears.  Top 10 pick though?  Dunno.