Talk to me about Trask

[Verge]

The Joe Burrow comparisons are really off base, Kyle Trask is not anywhere near Burrow. Slower release, no mobility, and not as good of a decision maker. He does have an awesome arm, solid mechanics, and very good accuracy at times, but I am not sure he is sustainable as a franchise QB. It seems like he is a lot more reliant on his playmakers making plays, where as Burrow helped the playmakers make the plays. I don't know that you can take a statue with not a ton of upside in the first round anymore.

[Varking]

1 minute ago, Verge said:

The Joe Burrow comparisons are really off base, Kyle Trask is not anywhere near Burrow. Slower release, no mobility, and not as good of a decision maker. He does have an awesome arm, solid mechanics, and very good accuracy at times, but I am not sure he is sustainable as a franchise QB. It seems like he is a lot more reliant on his playmakers making plays, where as Burrow helped the playmakers make the plays. I don't know that you can take a statue with not a ton of upside in the first round anymore.

Are you basing this off of today? There’s a few things listed that doesn’t really jive. Like saying Trask has an awesome arm and that he has no mobility. His arm is average. And he has more wheels than he has shown but he doesn’t have to run but he will move around the pocket just fine.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Verge said:

The Joe Burrow comparisons are really off base, Kyle Trask is not anywhere near Burrow. Slower release, no mobility, and not as good of a decision maker. He does have an awesome arm, solid mechanics, and very good accuracy at times, but I am not sure he is sustainable as a franchise QB. It seems like he is a lot more reliant on his playmakers making plays, where as Burrow helped the playmakers make the plays. I don't know that you can take a statue with not a ton of upside in the first round anymore.

Yep, pretty much where I'm at on Trask. I think he'll probably go in that late 1st range, possibly early 2nd and maybe he surprises but I just see Brandon Weedon when I watch Trask.

[Verge]

1 minute ago, Varking said:

Are you basing this off of today? There’s a few things listed that doesn’t really jive. Like saying Trask has an awesome arm and that he has no mobility. His arm is average. And he has more wheels than he has shown but he doesn’t have to run but he will move around the pocket just fine.

Awesome in a sense that I can't say "elite" or "great". I think he is very close to Nick Foles coming out. 

[mrcompletely11]

17 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Mack tanked Texas? Look at their record in the two decades before Mack and since Mack.

Texas isn't nearly as good historically as everyone seems to recall. They haven't been a dominant program since the '60s outside of Mack Brown's tenure.

If you look at his recruiting vs results in the last few years it ain't pretty.  I wouldn't say tanking but I would say he definitely checked out

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

If you look at his recruiting vs results in the last few years it ain't pretty.  I wouldn't say tanking but I would say he definitely checked out

He may have but saying "tanking" is taking it way too far. The program was just trending back toward where it was before he arrived and it's been on that same path since his departure. Texas just isn't near the powerhouse that Texas fans want to think it was. They ran Mack out of town but Mack gave them the best sustained success they've experienced in over half a century.  Texas thinks they're Alabama they're just not.

[kungfoodude]

13 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Mack tanked Texas? Look at their record in the two decades before Mack and since Mack.

Texas isn't nearly as good historically as everyone seems to recall. They haven't been a dominant program since the '60s outside of Mack Brown's tenure.

Look at the end of his tenure there. A lot of his success was him playing in a relatively weak conference(which was also a relatively new conference at the time), which he also only won two conference titles in 16 years. I'm not going to sit here and say he was a bad coach at all but the game definitely passed him by in the end and that was obvious in the last 3-4 years at Texass. It happens to most of the older coaches eventually(save maybe Bill Snyder). I do think he is pretty far past his expiration date as a competitive college football coach. 

He was a hire that the alum could get behind as link to the glory days of UNC football but he was also a hire that has little to no future. He's 69 years old(third oldest coach in college football). He's injected life into the program but it they don't make a step upward in the ACC, it's not going to be long lived. Ask Virginia Tech or Florida State or Miami. And those are all programs that have more money invested in football than UNC. 

The hope would be that he is able to assemble a staff to bump them up the ACC ladder and convince the alum to invest more for the next football coach. Right now, it hasn't been much of a payoff. If they don't ascend next season, it's going to be a real problem when they lose Howell. 

[Varking]

Draft. Kyle. Pitts. 

[LinvilleGorge]

13 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Look at the end of his tenure there. A lot of his success was him playing in a relatively weak conference(which was also a relatively new conference at the time), which he also only won two conference titles in 16 years. I'm not going to sit here and say he was a bad coach at all but the game definitely passed him by in the end and that was obvious in the last 3-4 years at Texass. It happens to most of the older coaches eventually(save maybe Bill Snyder). I do think he is pretty far past his expiration date as a competitive college football coach. 

He was a hire that the alum could get behind as link to the glory days of UNC football but he was also a hire that has little to no future. He's 69 years old(third oldest coach in college football). He's injected life into the program but it they don't make a step upward in the ACC, it's not going to be long lived. Ask Virginia Tech or Florida State or Miami. And those are all programs that have more money invested in football than UNC. 

The hope would be that he is able to assemble a staff to bump them up the ACC ladder and convince the alum to invest more for the next football coach. Right now, it hasn't been much of a payoff. If they don't ascend next season, it's going to be a real problem when they lose Howell. 

He's a stopgap. He's a guy to right the ship while you identify the long-term option. It has definitely paid off because if Mack isn't there then Howell is at FSU and UNC is a dumpster fire despite the talent at RB and WR.

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He's a stopgap. He's a guy to right the ship while you identify the long-term option.

Thats Mike Houston 

[DaveThePanther2008]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He's a stopgap. He's a guy to right the ship while you identify the long-term option. It has definitely paid off because if Mack isn't there then Howell is at FSU and UNC is a dumpster fire despite the talent at RB and WR.

I saw a thing on Mack Brown recently.  He was out of football and missed it.  Carolina needed a coach and he came back happily.

I think he will build this team into a top tier program.  I don't know how long he'll stay but at least he's putting a competitive team on the field. 

 

[Varking]

Trask used his legs there for the first down. 

[LinvilleGorge]

21 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He's a stopgap. He's a guy to right the ship while you identify the long-term option. It has definitely paid off because if Mack isn't there then Howell is at FSU and UNC is a dumpster fire despite the talent at RB and WR.

Yeah, people acting like this season is a massive disappointment don't recall just how bad UNC was under the likes of Torbush and Bunting and Fedora's later years. They're heading in the right direction, just not quite enough talent yet in the trenches to hang with the top tier teams.

But the FSU and UVA losses were on the staff. Sorry, but they didn't have that team ready to play in those games.

[LinvilleGorge]

30 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Thats Mike Houston 

ECU Mike Houston? Yikes.