Talk to me about Trask

[nctarheelreincarnated]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

That depends on their player development, IMO. UNC almost always recruits well but has struggled mightily to actually develop that talent the past couple of coaches. Mack has recruited quite well but that has to start translating on the field. The concern should be that you have the best QB in the history of the university(by a wide margin, TBH) and it has resulted in two disappointing seasons(this could change with a win over Miami). And you can't throw a barb saying the previous staff left the cupboard bare, because Fedora recruited very well too.

Mack’s recruiting great for UNC. But you’re right, their player development is key. They have developed well at RB and WR. But not a fan of their O-Line. They should have some beast at DE with 2 5 stars. 

[Mr. Scot]

I may be an outlier here, but I don't really care that much about quarterbacks being a run threat.

Pocket mobility and the ability to scramble are fine. If you have a quarterback who's also a run threat, cool... but not essential.

Fans love arm strength and mobility, but the reality is those are traits that some of the most elite quarterbacks in the NFL don't have in any great capacity.

Being able to effectively distribute the ball to playmakers is still a hundred times more effective and important than athletic, and I wouldn't count on that changing.

[nctarheelreincarnated]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

The thing about Howell (and Cam and Roethlisberger and a lot of other elite QBs) is that you have to take the good with the bad in that aspect. Yeah, they're going to take some bad sacks, but they're also going to make a ton of plays that other guys just can't make.

He’s gotten sacked the second most in the NCAA the past two seasons. And their offensive line was solid last year. 

[mrcompletely11]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

From what I've seen of him, I can't agree with that.

I see a little farve in him.  

[DaveThePanther2008]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

The thing about Howell (and Cam and Roethlisberger and a lot of other elite QBs) is that you have to take the good with the bad in that aspect. Yeah, they're going to take some bad sacks, but they're also going to make a ton of plays that other guys just can't make.

I think Howell would be perfect to be honest.  He has enough mobility to extend plays and would be awesome with our current receiving corps but we'll have to wait until next year to see if he'll come out early.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, nctarheelreincarnated said:

Mack’s recruiting great for UNC. But you’re right, their player development is key. They have developed well at RB and WR. But not a fan of their O-Line. They should have some beast at DE with 2 5 stars. 

Fedora was terrible at recruiting linemen on both sides of the ball. Linemen are also the slowest to develop in the college game. Most 18 year old freshmen no matter how talented just aren't physically ready to play a huge role in the trenches from day one. We're not really seeing the impact of Mack's OL/DL recruits yet.

[nctarheelreincarnated]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Fedora was terrible at recruiting linemen on both sides of the ball. Linemen are also the slowest to develop in the college game. Most 18 year old freshmen no matter how talented just aren't physically ready to play a huge role in the trenches from day one. We're not really seeing the impact of Mack's OL/DL recruits yet.

You will quickly on defense with those 2 5 stars. I love Grimes too at corner. 

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, nctarheelreincarnated said:

He’s gotten sacked the second most in the NCAA the past two seasons. And their offensive line was solid last year. 

All upper classesmen doesn't necessarily mean "solid". They returned almost everyone from that OL except for Charlie Heck who was a 4th round pick. None of these guys are getting drafted this year. ND was getting pressure almost immediately when rushing only 4 and sometimes 3. That's not on the QB.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, nctarheelreincarnated said:

You will quickly on defense with those 2 5 stars. I love Grimes too at corner. 

Yeah, you'll see the impact from those edge rushers. DTs and OL are another story. Those guys usually just aren't ready.

[nctarheelreincarnated]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, you'll see the impact from those edge rushers. DTs and OL are another story. Those guys usually just aren't ready.

Agreed. Sucks they’ll lose Brown, Newsome, Carter, and Williams. 

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

I think Howell would be perfect to be honest.  He has enough mobility to extend plays and would be awesome with our current receiving corps but we'll have to wait until next year to see if he'll come out early.

He's a true sophomore. He doesn't have the option to enter the draft.

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, nctarheelreincarnated said:

Mack’s recruiting great for UNC. But you’re right, their player development is key. They have developed well at RB and WR. But not a fan of their O-Line. They should have some beast at DE with 2 5 stars. 

My ultimate guess is that recruiting will be pretty good for a period but the success won't match. UNC is in the same spot at just about every team in the ACC not named Clemson or Notre Dame. Mack is a feel good story for old school UNC fans but there is also a reason he was unemployed after basically tanking one of the best college football programs in the country. 

UNC will never have real success in football because they will not spend the money on the program to make it a high caliber program. They aren't alone, almost no ACC programs outside Clemson and Notre Dame do. The decline of Miami and Florida State is directly related to them deciding not to invest in their programs at critical junctures. It's the reason that Virginia Tech can't make the next step. It's the reason that Louisville can't make the next step. It's the reason that UNC, Duke, Wake Forest, Boston College, Virginia, NC State, Georgia Tech, and Pittsburgh will never be relevant nationally except for occasionally catching lightening in a bottle with great players accumulating on a team or two. Success in college football is about spending and investing ungodly amounts of money. 

[DaveThePanther2008]

10 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

All upper classesmen doesn't necessarily mean "solid". They returned almost everyone from that OL except for Charlie Heck who was a 4th round pick. None of these guys are getting drafted this year. ND was getting pressure almost immediately when rushing only 4 and sometimes 3. That's not on the QB.

Absolutely.  Howell had literally NO TIME to do anything.  They were coming at all angles.  Sadly the OC had no answer in the second half. Kind of reminded me of Shula. 

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

My ultimate guess is that recruiting will be pretty good for a period but the success won't match. UNC is in the same spot at just about every team in the ACC not named Clemson or Notre Dame. Mack is a feel good story for old school UNC fans but there is also a reason he was unemployed after basically tanking one of the best college football programs in the country. 

UNC will never have real success in football because they will not spend the money on the program to make it a high caliber program. They aren't alone, almost no ACC programs outside Clemson and Notre Dame do. The decline of Miami and Florida State is directly related to them deciding not to invest in their programs at critical junctures. It's the reason that Virginia Tech can't make the next step. It's the reason that Louisville can't make the next step. It's the reason that UNC, Duke, Wake Forest, Boston College, Virginia, NC State, Georgia Tech, and Pittsburgh will never be relevant nationally except for occasionally catching lightening in a bottle with great players accumulating on a team or two. Success in college football is about spending and investing ungodly amounts of money. 

Mack tanked Texas? Look at their record in the two decades before Mack and since Mack.

Texas isn't nearly as good historically as everyone seems to recall. They haven't been a dominant program since the '60s outside of Mack Brown's tenure.