QB Conundrum

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, trueblade said:

I'm concerned about the person picking those players. It won't help if we burn those draft picks on the next Greg Little.

The top 10 pick should be relatively Hurney proof. It's the rest of the draft that will be a big worry. In fairness, the 2020 draft class appears to be pretty solid early on.

[Toomers]

15 minutes ago, Icege said:

You sure about that?

Because Joe Burrow's passing chart from the NCG looks oddly like a combination of his passing charts in CIN where they cut the field in half for him to make the high-low reads along with the dink and dunk style you're claiming that Brady (who was influenced by Payton) doesn't utilize.

   So one game, that shows nothing, is supposed to discredit the entire year. Anyone that watched even a couple of LSU games knows they were nowhere near a dink and dunk team. 
 

  Post the charts for every game and let’s decide. I know what they are going to look like. 

[nctarheelreincarnated]

5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

If the cap retracts, I don't think we will be looking at a ton of cap space. The cap space we so have may get nuked quickly with guys like Moton and Samuel to be signed. 

Fair point. Gotta resign both of those guys now. Sheesh. 

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, nctarheelreincarnated said:

Fair point. Gotta resign both of those guys now. Sheesh. 

I think there is a chance we franchise Moton. It is going to be another very challenging offseason to attempt to build a roster. The hope is we are able to get incrementally better.

We don't have any option other than to embrace the rebuild now. We are in thr midst of it already.

[LinvilleGorge]

8 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

If the cap retracts, I don't think we will be looking at a ton of cap space. The cap space we so have may get nuked quickly with guys like Moton and Samuel to be signed. 

I doubt it retracts, especially if vaccines look to be widely spread prior to football season. A lot of teams will be fuged against the cap if it does. It may not increase and even that would be a significant strain for a lot of teams since they operate under he assumption of an ever increasing, but I don't see a retraction coming.

[Icege]

15 minutes ago, nctarheelreincarnated said:

Brady aired it out with Joe Burrow, you using one game as a microcosm of Joe Brady's offense at LSU just doesn't fit. I watched a lot of LSU games last year, and I remember Burrow airing it out a lot. Maybe Brady saw something on film vs Clemson that said don't air it out early. Because in the second half is when Burrow started showing his downfield accuracy. 

9 minutes ago, Toomers said:

   So one game, that shows nothing, is supposed to discredit the entire year. Anyone that watched even a couple of LSU games knows they were nowhere near a dink and dunk team. 
 

  Post the charts for every game and let’s decide. I know what they are going to look like. 

  Burrow's chart for the 2019 season.

Your memory remembers him airing it out because everyone remembers the highlights more than they do the actual games. It's natural.

Deep Attempts: 31 left + 6 middle + 36 right = 73
Mid Attempts: 36 left + 24 middle + 44 right = 104
Short Attempts: 105 left + 57 mid + 112 right = 264
Behind LOS: 17 left + 20 mid + 22 right = 61

Burrow had nearly as many attempts downfield as he did behind the LOS. He had nearly four times those amount of throws less than 10yds from the LOS.

Brady's offense is a dink and dunk offense. Burrow operated best when cutting the field in half if he was going to throw deep, hence the lack of challenging teams in the middle of the field.

[nctarheelreincarnated]

4 minutes ago, Icege said:

  Burrow's chart for the 2019 season.

Your memory remembers him airing it out because everyone remembers the highlights more than they do the actual games. It's natural.

Deep Attempts: 31 left + 6 middle + 36 right = 73
Mid Attempts: 36 left + 24 middle + 44 right = 104
Short Attempts: 105 left + 57 mid + 112 right = 264
Behind LOS: 17 left + 20 mid + 22 right = 61

Burrow had nearly as many attempts downfield as he did behind the LOS. He had nearly four times those amount of throws less than 10yds from the LOS.

Brady's offense is a dink and dunk offense. Burrow operated best when cutting the field in half if he was going to throw deep, hence the lack of challenging teams in the middle of the field.

His intermediate passes are high too, which Bridgewater coincidentally also struggles with. I don't believe Brady's is a dink and dunk offense with a QB like Burrow. The issue I have is Bridgewater can only dink and dunk because that's his game, if the prior instances of Bridgewater didn't show that I would agree with you. That and Bridgewater never have over 15 TD's passing in a season, which is below average. That's complete ass. Sure, the short attempts will out do the mid and deep attempts combined, but those attempts are needed and were damn good from Burrow. Can't say the same for Teddy. And that again, is one of his many deficiencies. 

 

[Toomers]

8 minutes ago, Icege said:

  Burrow's chart for the 2019 season.

Your memory remembers him airing it out because everyone remembers the highlights more than they do the actual games. It's natural.

Deep Attempts: 31 left + 6 middle + 36 right = 73
Mid Attempts: 36 left + 24 middle + 44 right = 104
Short Attempts: 105 left + 57 mid + 112 right = 264
Behind LOS: 17 left + 20 mid + 22 right = 61

Burrow had nearly as many attempts downfield as he did behind the LOS. He had nearly four times those amount of throws less than 10yds from the LOS.

Brady's offense is a dink and dunk offense. Burrow operated best when cutting the field in half if he was going to throw deep, hence the lack of challenging teams in the middle of the field.

Now, put up this years numbers and compare. Then you will see the difference. You think Teddy has anywhere near 73 deep shots? And 31 to the left, 36 to right. You think maybe he saw a weakness in the Clemson DEF in that game. Seems to have worked. 

[*FreeFua*]

6 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think there is a chance we franchise Moton. It is going to be another very challenging offseason to attempt to build a roster. The hope is we are able to get incrementally better.

We don't have any option other than to embrace the rebuild now. We are in thr midst of it already.

I think we end up tagging Moton as well. Give it another year and see where we’re at after this draft and off season. Letting him leave this off season isn’t an option.
 

We won’t be able to afford to keep Samuel. Paying a WR3 like Samuel isn’t a luxury we have. I’d argue I’m not sure any team has these due with cap restrictions. 

[onmyown]

11 hours ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

do you think having a quarterback who can’t sustain drives helps or hurts a defense?

What? Not sure what game you’re watching, the Panthers and TB have had long sustaining drives, that’s not their issue. The going for it and fake punt stuff hurts the defense more than saying we have not had sustaining drives which is completely false.

The offense is always playing catch up for constant defensive failures. When the offense makes a mistake it’s game over.

 

[MasterAwesome]

2 hours ago, Varking said:

While I understand that the defense is bad after they were historically bad last year, how do we defend scoring less points through 10 games of Teddy than we did with Kyle Allen? How do we defense 30something yards of offense in the second quarter followed by 30 yards of offense the second half? How do we defend the awful interception Teddy threw? 

Let's not gloss over the CMC injury this year lol, he's by far our biggest offensive threat.  I know it's a small sample size, but in the two games he has played from start to finish, we've scored 30 and 31...two of our top three highest scoring outputs this season (31 against the Cardinals as well).  For better or worse, our offense runs through CMC...let's not pretend this is some huge mystery or coyly present this as some indictment on Teddy like "Hmmm...wonder why our offense seems pretty comparable to last year!  Teddy = Kyle Allen?!? HMMM!!!".  Sure, Mike Davis has filled in respectably...but come on, let's be real.

Also, I like Joe Brady a lot but he clearly still has a learning curve for playcalling (particularly when it comes to the red zone).  He seems to be improving, but some of our red zone struggles absolutely has to be pinned on him when no one is getting open down there in many cases.  The way you talk about Brady in threads regarding how he's clearly being limited by Teddy is really strange...you're treating him like a proven 10-year veteran superstar playcaller.  He doesn't have the qualifications and experience and proven track record in the NFL to be deserving our blind deference and trust.  Not sure if you were just a big fan of him at LSU last year or what, but the NFL is a different animal.

[Mr. Scot]

I've always thought Teddy was a bridge, and nothing's happened to change my mind.

I'd love to keep him as a backup.

[Toomers]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fivethirtyeight.com/features/is-joe-burrow-the-most-efficient-college-qb-ever/amp/
 

It has barely mattered what coverage a defense is in against Burrow. Burrow’s adjusted completion percentage of 82.5, which weights completions by air yards and excludes drops and throwaways, is the highest mark in the nine-season sample from the ESPN Stats & Information Group. (By comparison, starting major conference QBs over that same stretch recorded an average adjusted completion mark of 67.7 percent.)

ESPN has tracked coverage splits the past two seasons, and Burrow’s completion marks receive top billing against man (72.0) and zone (77.6). 3Here’s how his splits look by coverage when compared with the top quarterbacks by Total QBR the last two seasons.

Burrow is no Checkdown Charlie, either. As measured by air yards, Burrow has thrown 22 touchdowns that traveled at least 18 yards, tied for the most by any QB in a single season since at least 2011.

[parker]

I don't think we draft a QB this year.  Do you really want a rookie QB behind this line?  Teddy is here for the rebuild which will take a few years. We have so many glaring needs at other places.  But, that's just my guess.