QB Conundrum

[Snake]

I'm in my own camp. I say just build the team. Either there will be a QB, OT, or MLB, in the first round. Pick one and rebuild. With how depleated this team is right now I would say a 4 year turnaround would be epic. 

[SetfreexX]

It's not a conundrum, Teddy was the last pick of the first round when he got drafted, I'd say he's performing well all things considered. However, he's not a take this team to the next level type talent, there is nothing he excels at. He's a solid starter, and a great back up option. 

We need more from the QB position to challenge vertically when we have 3 legit WR's that can get over the top, I like what Teddy is doing all things considered, but I can't help but think...

1) We'd be better with Cam

2) We need to draft the future

Staring 3-7 in the face, I think we're probably going to do just that, a 3 year deal, with an out after 2 years is all you need to know, we bought time, and we ripped the ''Cam Newton'' band aid off, you'd rather have a rookie replace Teddy, versus having to replace Cam. Just my $0.02

[ickmule]

I’m here to admit I was wrong. Teddy blows. 

[Icege]

10 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The contract screams bridge. All the interest in Herbert screams bridge. It's not like you're ever gonna sign a guy and come out and say, "Well, this is our guy until we can find someone who is actually good. Sorry."

Genuine question here: What is the point of attempting to invalidate nearly every good play made by a QB and mentioning that he's a stopgap?

What exactly does that do?

What's the purpose behind it?

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Icege said:

Genuine question here: What is the point of attempting to invalidate nearly every good play made by a QB and mentioning that he's a stopgap?

What exactly does that do?

What's the purpose behind it?

Where is this occurring?

On the flip side, what's the point of acting like Bridgewater is the long-term answer when there is ample evidence that he's a stopgap? 

You can give Teddy his props while also understanding he's a stopgap and pointing out his flaws.

[Icege]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Where is this occurring?

On the flip side, what's the point of acting like Bridgewater is the long-term answer when there is ample evidence that he's a stopgap? 

You can give Teddy his props while also understanding he's a stopgap and pointing out his flaws.

Literally every game day thread or thread that talks about Teddy.

I ask because I've seen one or two users here go above and beyond to talk up Teddy as the future @ QB, but I've seen several (yourself included) go out of their way to "critique" Teddy while having nowhere near that energy for say, Tahir Whitehead or Chris Reed should they make a net positive play. The lack of consistency there is wild. I'm sure there's some excuse/idea that normalizes the behaviour by trying to talk positional value in regards to the importance of the QB position, but it still ignores the fact that Teddy is doing his job much more often than those guys yet they don't have a dedicated group of users reminding folks that they're on 1yr stopgap deals, cherry picking stats that further their narrative, etc.

It's weird. It just comes across that some of y'all are just irrationally angry, super attached to a former player, legit don't know football, or just straight up hate Teddy for some reason. The man is the team's QB this season and likely next. It is what it is. Personally, I'm going to be supportive of Teddy and the team while being excited for any new blood that comes in to them improve. I'm not sure why that means some of y'all gotta keep screaming, "HE'S A STOPGAP!" as if that adds any value to the conversation or furthers any point.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Icege said:

Literally every game day thread or thread that talks about Teddy.

I ask because I've seen one or two users here go above and beyond to talk up Teddy as the future @ QB, but I've seen several (yourself included) go out of their way to "critique" Teddy while having nowhere near that energy for say, Tahir Whitehead or Chris Reed should they make a net positive play. The lack of consistency there is wild. I'm sure there's some excuse idea that normalizes the behaviour by trying to talk positional value in regards to the importance of the QB position, but it still ignores the fact that Teddy is doing his job much more often than those guys yet they don't have a dedicated group of users reminding folks that they're on 1yr stopgap deals, cherry picking stats that further their narrative, etc.

It's weird. It just comes across that some of y'all are just irrationally angry, super attached to a former player, legit don't know football, or just straight up hate Teddy for some reason. The man is the team's QB this season and likely next. It is what it is. Personally, I'm going to be supportive of Teddy and the team while being excited for any new blood that comes in to them improve. I'm not sure why that means some of y'all gotta keep screaming, "HE'S A STOPGAP!" as if that adds any value to the conversation or furthers any point.

If you think I haven't shown the same energy with Whitehead and Boston you haven't been paying attention. I am supportive of Teddy as a stopgap. He's an ideal guy to come in and facilitate the installation of the new offense in a unique environment due to the pandemic and play wet nurse for a talented young franchise QB prospect.

[TheRumGone]

2 minutes ago, Icege said:

Genuine question here: What is the point of attempting to invalidate nearly every good play made by a QB and mentioning that he's a stopgap?

What exactly does that do?

What's the purpose behind it?

No one is invalidating every good play. Just yesterday you were doing your tEdDy CaNT tHrOW dEeP nonsense after his godawful deep throw that DJ had to wait on that would’ve been 6 points. Teddy has made some awesome plays this year. And majority of people who call teddy a stopgap say just that. Like that dive to get a first down. Unbelievable play. Amazing play.

the purpose behind calling him a stopgap is posters posting nonsense like after that first ATL game saying he’s the future. Or people creating threads like this one. Or Igo declaring him the best qb in the NFCS when it’s reactionary and obvious to anyone how ridiculous some of the stuff being posted actually is. 

there is no qb conundrum. Teddy is what he is. Low end starter, high end backup. I’d love for teddy to be here as a backup. We want better because we want a better team. It’s really as simple as that. Qb is the most important position on the field. It’s the most highly scrutinized. That’s just the way it is. 

[Icege]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If you think I haven't shown the same energy with Whitehead and Boston you haven't been paying attention. I am supportive of Teddy as a stopgap. He's an ideal guy to come in and facilitate the installation of the new offense in a unique environment due to the pandemic and play wet nurse for a talented young franchise QB prospect.

You haven't had anywhere near that energy for Whitehead and Boston. I don't see you going out of your way to critique tackling form when they make a stop, or criticize Tre Boston for not being involved in the play which is what made him available to recover a fumble, etc. If you genuinely believe otherwise, I don't know what to tell you there. I'm one of the biggest Tre Boston detractors and have been since we originally drafted him and I haven't seen you anywhere "critiquing" him like you do Teddy.

There's a big difference between bemoaning bad players making bad plays and going out of your way to downplay an OK player making a good play.

and I swear, before the end of the week, you and @TheRumGone are going to merge into LinvilleRum or TheRumGorge. Both of y'all in the same thread arguing the same points with similar avatars is toooooooooooooooooooooooo much for my ADHD before having coffee 

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Icege said:

You haven't had anywhere near that energy for Whitehead and Boston. I don't see you going out of your way to critique tackling form when they make a stop, or criticize Tre Boston for not being involved in the play which is what made him available to recover a fumble, etc. If you genuinely believe otherwise, I don't know what to tell you there. I'm one of the biggest Tre Boston detractors and have been since we originally drafted him and I haven't seen you anywhere "critiquing" him like you do Teddy.

There's a big difference between bemoaning bad players making bad plays and going out of your way to downplay an OK player making a good play.

and I swear, before the end of the week, you and @TheRumGone are going to merge into LinvilleRum or TheRumGorge. Both of y'all in the same thread arguing the same points with similar avatars is toooooooooooooooooooooooo much for my ADHD before having coffee 

Yep, you haven't been paying attention then. The only difference with Boston and Whitehead is that you don't have a small handful of posters actually trying to pretend like they're the answer.

[Icege]

3 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

No one is invalidating every good play. Just yesterday you were doing your tEdDy CaNT tHrOW dEeP nonsense after his godawful deep throw that DJ had to wait on that would’ve been 6 points. Teddy has made some awesome plays this year. And majority of people who call teddy a stopgap say just that. Like that dive to get a first down. Unbelievable play. Amazing play.

the purpose behind calling him a stopgap is posters posting nonsense like after that first ATL game saying he’s the future. Or people creating threads like this one. Or Igo declaring him the best qb in the NFCS when it’s reactionary and obvious to anyone how ridiculous some of the stuff being posted actually is. 

there is no qb conundrum. Teddy is what he is. Low end starter, high end backup. I’d love for teddy to be here as a backup. We want better because we want a better team. It’s really as simple as that. Qb is the most important position on the field. It’s the most highly scrutinized. That’s just the way it is. 

I posted tEddY dOEsnt chAllEngE dEEp. Let's not misrepresent pls. I never said that the throw was great, just that he challenged deep. It was literally just moments after other users crying that he doesn't push the ball downfield.

Like, who outside of @SizzleBuzz is saying that he is the future at QB? Was he not at the time actively the better QB in the division when Igo posted what he did? What is wrong with making a statement like that?

A better example of what we are talking about would be after he made the TD throw to Curtis a week or two ago and folks were genuinely trying to "critique" the pass because a defender might have gotten a finger on the ball. 

[TLGPanthersFan]

1 minute ago, TheRumGone said:

No one is invalidating every good play. Just yesterday you were doing your tEdDy CaNT tHrOW dEeP nonsense after his godawful deep throw that DJ had to wait on that would’ve been 6 points. Teddy has made some awesome plays this year. And majority of people who call teddy a stopgap say just that. Like that dive to get a first down. Unbelievable play. Amazing play.

the purpose behind calling him a stopgap is posters posting nonsense like after that first ATL game saying he’s the future. Or people creating threads like this one. Or Igo declaring him the best qb in the NFCS when it’s reactionary and obvious to anyone how ridiculous some of the stuff being posted actually is. 

there is no qb conundrum. Teddy is what he is. Low end starter, high end backup. I’d love for teddy to be here as a backup. We want better because we want a better team. It’s really as simple as that. Qb is the most important position on the field. It’s the most highly scrutinized. That’s just the way it is. 

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[nctarheelreincarnated]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yep, you haven't been paying attention then. The only difference with Boston and Whitehead is that you don't have a small handful of posters actually trying to pretend like they're the answer.

The funny part of that, that same guy you're quoting has been one of the guys saying Bridgewater isn't the problem. For some god forsaken reason. 

[Icege]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yep, you haven't been paying attention then. The only difference with Boston and Whitehead is that you don't have a small handful of posters actually trying to pretend like they're the answer.

Quote them then.

Quote the posts where they make good plays and you go out of your way to remind folks that they're stopgaps here on one year deals while criticizing everything from tackling form to hairstyle.

Go ahead. If you've got the proof, present it.