QB Conundrum

[pantherj]

The Panthers offered Teddy their low ball contract, and they were surprised he accepted the offer. They were prepared to offer him more money, but his agent didn't fight for more. 

[raz]

you know what, y'all have changed my mind.  i'm going to walmart and getting a mahomes.  

[raz]

and we have too many holes to trade up for a qb this year.  if one is there we like, great.  if not maybe we'll be in a position to trade up the following year if we need to.  there is no need at all to bring in a guy unless we've improved the oline, or focus on it simultaneously.  you people who constantly say teddy sucks blah blah blah, what are your solutions that are actually possible?   we're not in a position for a rookie to flourish yet.  

[JawnyBlaze]

I did bash the management for signing him. Was a huge mistake. And now that we’re feeling the effects of that mistake, I still say it was a horrible decision.  The coaching has been good though.  They’re two separate aspects to judge. I just hope they don’t repeat the same mistake next year by not trying to replace him

[raz]

54 minutes ago, JawnyBlaze said:

I did bash the management for signing him. Was a huge mistake. And now that we’re feeling the effects of that mistake, I still say it was a horrible decision.  The coaching has been good though.  They’re two separate aspects to judge. I just hope they don’t repeat the same mistake next year by not trying to replace him

yeah but the way we do that is trading back in the draft and getting a little capital to spend.  right now we don't have any.   we have too many holes to trade up.  if a guy falls in our lap great, if not oh well.  the other way we do it is to actually develop talent and then trade it for a higher pick than we spent because we've got lots of really good players.  we're not there yet either.  look at deshaun.  he was on track to consistently be a top 5 elite level qb.  that situation has been mismanaged so badly.  i don't want to be the texans and i don't want to be the previous regime that never got cam a good line.    

[kungfoodude]

Oh look, it's this thread again!

Teddy is a game manager, the same thing he was when we signed him. He's also probably the best game managing QB in the NFL. Teddy is good enough for us to win. Teddy isn't good enough to carry the team on his back when we need a victory.

Teddy isn't the biggest problem on this team, not by a wide margin.

[raz]

9 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Oh look, it's this thread again!

Teddy is a game manager, the same thing he was when we signed him. He's also probably the best game managing QB in the NFL. Teddy is good enough for us to win. Teddy isn't good enough to carry the team on his back when we need a victory.

Teddy isn't the biggest problem on this team, not by a wide margin.

are you saying its a possible issue that we don't make other teams punt for half a season?

[mrcompletely11]

After the last 4 games and yesterday in particular my opinion of Teddy has gone from "Teddy is an okay QB to teddy is pretty bad, not getting better and is a liability for the team and offense". 

 

That said I hope he is okay

[kungfoodude]

Just now, raz said:

are you saying its a possible issue that we don't make other teams punt for half a season?

Yeah, weird how that works, right? How many teams in the NFL have to overcome the kind of offensive output we allow and are also successful? Just Seattle. And they happen to have arguably the best QB in the NFL currently who has largely played at an MVP level.

That's what it takes to make up for the kind of defense we have.

[Varking]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, weird how that works, right? How many teams in the NFL have to overcome the kind of offensive output we allow and are also successful? Just Seattle. And they happen to have arguably the best QB in the NFL currently who has largely played at an MVP level.

That's what it takes to make up for the kind of defense we have.

While I understand that the defense is bad after they were historically bad last year, how do we defend scoring less points through 10 games of Teddy than we did with Kyle Allen? How do we defense 30something yards of offense in the second quarter followed by 30 yards of offense the second half? How do we defend the awful interception Teddy threw? 

[raz]

6 minutes ago, Varking said:

While I understand that the defense is bad after they were historically bad last year, how do we defend scoring less points through 10 games of Teddy than we did with Kyle Allen? How do we defense 30something yards of offense in the second quarter followed by 30 yards of offense the second half? How do we defend the awful interception Teddy threw? 

it seem like you keep propping up an argument nobody is making but you.  nobody is defending teddy.  some are saying he could win us some games if the rest of the team was nfl level, but that's it.   there's you and one or two others who have an imaginary antagonist you're railing against, and its weird that the antagonist is coming from your imagination

[raz]

13 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, weird how that works, right? How many teams in the NFL have to overcome the kind of offensive output we allow and are also successful? Just Seattle. And they happen to have arguably the best QB in the NFL currently who has largely played at an MVP level.

That's what it takes to make up for the kind of defense we have.

its not even working out for russell right now

[kungfoodude]

Just now, Varking said:

While I understand that the defense is bad after they were historically bad last year, how do we defend scoring less points through 10 games of Teddy than we did with Kyle Allen? How do we defense 30something yards of offense in the second quarter followed by 30 yards of offense the second half? How do we defend the awful interception Teddy threw? 

Well the offense is statistically better than it was last year, so consider that. The defense is also statistically better. Not by much on either account.

The awful interception had no bearing on the outcome of the game, we were long since out of it at that point. We ran out to a lead and then they adjusted and took away every weapon we had, because unlike us, they actually DO have a good defense. Teddy isn't Wilson, Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers, etc. He can't claw his way out of the kind of holes that our defense consistently puts us in. He goes in, runs the offense, takes what they give him and largely does a pretty good job at it. 

He isn't going to be Kyle Murray out there scrambling from one end of the field to the other to buy time for his guys to get open. People irrationally get upset at Teddy for being something he is not. Teddy Bridgewater could probably be close to undefeated this season, much like he was last season if he had the type of team talent New Orleans does. Well we don't have that talent. 

Teddy has outright lost us or played a significant hand in losing us 2-3 games this season. This wasn't one of them.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, raz said:

its not even working out for russell right now

Yep, there is only so much you can do with a shitty defense.