Smitty

[King Taharqa]

If this franchise gets rid of Steve Smith before it does Jake Delhomme, Im telling yall, thats an image hit that will take a long time to come back from. Last season Chad Ocho Cinco got into it with his coaches after having the worst year of his career, he had gone to the press in the offseason and said he wanted out of Cincy, and he publicly criticized his QB. And you know what? Marv Lewis WORKED IT OUT. This season Chad's getting the ball and is back happy, the Bengals are 6-2, and look like they are on the cusp of a playoff birth. Why cant John Fox do that? You telling me Marv Lewis is a better coach than John Fox? He can handle adversity/hothead superstar players better than Fox & Co? Smitty hasnt done half of what Ochocinco has and yet his team still sticks by him and wants him to retire a Bengal. We owe #89 the same treatment.

[Mesmer]

Oh if we get rid of Smith and keep Delhomme it would be completely stupid. Given that there is no cap next season, Delhomme should be released immediately upon season's end and should be out the door with several other players and coaches. Not just Smith.

That is my belief. It's not that Smith is THE problem. But he is A problem, and that it's best for him and this team to part ways.

[Strong Arm]

I honestly do not see Smith as a problem. I may be the only one though...

[King Taharqa]

I honestly do not see Smith as a problem. I may be the only one though...

I dont see him as a problem either. Passive ownership and bad management is the problem.

[Punisher]

Only to a hermit such as yourself who never travels outside of Meck County. Me defending Foster while he was here is not worse than you sticking up for a lameduck coach like Fox or a joke of a QB like Jake. You have 0 cred around here buddy. I swear man the mentality around here is so damn small time. Steve Smith without question is the most recognizable and liked player on this team NATIONALLY. Ive met NFL fans all over this country who the only player they know on our roster is Steve Smith. And of course Jake Delhomme because of his poor play. D Will nor Beason are not the draw that 89 is or was. They may be big around here, but nationally, UNH UNH. If you Panther employees and undercover Smith-haters think dumping Steve Smith is gonna leave a good lasting impression on Jerry Richardson's legacy you're sadly mistaken. The Panthers FO reputation is about as low as its ever been, keep making dumbass decisions and see how far it goes. This franchise is on the cusp of destruction.

1. I have defended Fox and Jake before, but I'm though with Jake. I don't know exactlly what point, but sometime last year. I still support Fox, but the Jake decision is killing me. Just like Foster he isn't the best option even if he is the all-time franchise leading passer.

2. Who the fug cares what people think of us nationally? We needs us some repscept for ESPNZ?? I don't care about that. If somone from King Taharqaville doesn't know who D-will is, it doesn't hurt my feelings one bit. But it doesn't change the fact that this is John Beason and Deangelo Williams football team. Best players and best attitude. They are untradable unless it is a Hershall Walker deal. Steve Smith a player who best year are a behind him. Tradable.

3. Jerry Richardson legacy. Don't care again. And keeping, trading, releasing Smith whatever the, decision, will not even leave a blip on it. Here is a secret Smith is not that big.

4. You used the dumb mangement line last year and that we are doomed. I think you said that the franchise is destined for LA or some crap, I can not remember. But no matter if we are 12-4 or 3-5 it is the same poo. You are a drama queen.

[beastson]

He is the most recognizable player yes... but I think you go to far when you say we're on the "cusp of destruction"

There's comes a time when you let loose your veteran players. The teams that know when to do that are good ones. It's time for Steve Smith to go. His best days are behind him and he's no longer worth the trouble he causes, as he's just a good WR now. He's not a super star.

Honestly, you really believe that?

[King Taharqa]

But it doesn't change the fact that this is John Beason and Deangelo Williams football team. Steve Smith a player who best year are a behind him.

How many playoff games has Jon Beason & DeAngelo Williams won for us since its "their team"? Are we gonna post a winning record this season? :frown2: Steve Smith is still the best and most respected player in Carolina.

[beastson]

Oh yea lol, yall kill me too man

Smith has fallen off, his best days are behind, he isn't the same

When just last year he was the single factor from us going 12-4, to 10-6. If he didn't do what he did in the Packers & Saints game, we might not have even went to the playoffs. The defending of Jake is just nothing I've seen before, I mean its ridiculous. Knowing our QB is that bad, you make those comments and feel extremely strong about them. Also knowing if Smith was with the Colts, you wouldn't anybody dare say those things. If you say he's having an off year, just like the team. Thats fine, but yall taking it to another level

[OneBadassCat]

Oh yea lol, yall kill me too man

Smith has fallen off, his best days are behind, he isn't the same

When just last year he was the single factor from us going 12-4, to 10-6. If he didn't do what he did in the Packers & Saints game, we might not have even went to the playoffs. The defending of Jake just nothing I've seen before, I mean its ridiculous. Knowing our QB is that bad, you make those comments and feel extremely strong about them. Also knowing if Smith was with the Colts, you wouldn't anybody dare say those things. If you say he's having an off year, just like the team. Thats fine, but yall taking it to another level

I agree. Someone like Smith just doesn't drop off that fast. Our QB is making the entire passing game look bad.

[CRA]

How many playoff games has Jon Beason & DeAngelo Williams won for us since its "their team"? Are we gonna post a winning record this season? :frown2: Steve Smith is still the best and most respected player in Carolina.

Steve isn't the best any longer......Williams is.

[AceMan]

I'll throw this out there...if we trade Smith. We HAVE to cut Delhomme...that's the only way I would even think about accepting that.

Steve Smith IS the Carolina Panthers!

[Samuel L. Jackson]

You know how you fix this perceived problem?

Get a motherfugin coach in here who will grab him by the facemask and chew his ass out for having a brief tantrum...

There... THAT is the problem... If we had a coach with some balls and some emotion, we wouldn't be concerned about Smitty, and we damn sure wouldn't be 3-5...

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[Matt Foley]

Some of the blind loyalty to Smitty on here is honorable, but short-sighted.

If you traded Steve Smith to...let's say Chicago. How many good years do you think he'd have there? His best years are clearly behind him. He might jump up and get 1,000 yards or 100 catches again once or twice, but 2005 Smitty is gone. Unless he's on steroids.

Right now his attitude is a problem and his production, whatever the cause, isn't justifying the headaches. If you traded him my guess is the locker room would rally around Fox and this team would make a run at the playoffs. Keep him and this team implodes and finishes 6-10.

[Samuel L. Jackson]

Some of the blind loyalty to Smitty on here is honorable, but short-sighted.

If you traded Steve Smith to...let's say Chicago. How many good years do you think he'd have there? His best years are clearly behind him. He might jump up and get 1,000 yards or 100 catches again once or twice, but 2005 Smitty is gone. Unless he's on steroids.

Right now his attitude is a problem and his production, whatever the cause, isn't justifying the headaches. If you traded him my guess is the locker room would rally around Fox and this team would make a run at the playoffs. Keep him and this team implodes and finishes 6-10.

How the fug do you expect him to produce when the 11 players on the other side of the field know with 90% certainty what we're going to do each time we line up? Also, I don't see anyone else out there catching the ball, other than the occasional tight end, produce anything either...

You can't make a trade now anyways, so moot point there, n00b...