Are we content with what we're getting from Derrick Brown

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, BrizzMachete said:

I don’t understand football at all  teach me sir . You have all the answers  i truly seek in this game called football . 

I don't have that much free time.

[BrizzMachete]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I don't have that much free time.

Looking at this site and the amount of posts you have made  i damn sure can’t tell lol 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, BrizzMachete said:

Looking at this site and the amount of posts you have made  i damn sure can’t tell lol 

Multitasking, but I also don't have the patience.

[arbnranger]

On 11/12/2020 at 7:08 AM, Icege said:

Yes.

That man stronk.

*Skrong 

[MasterAwesome]

1 hour ago, BrizzMachete said:

You wanna be noticed so bad we weren’t even speaking on you master lol 

I mean...Linville was clearly talking about me in the post you quoted, whereas you seem to have thought he was talking about Mr. Scot?  Apparently the common theme here is that you are easily confused.

[Beerfacedlegend]

Like I said he needs to do better he was a top 10 pick with 0 sacks . Hopefully he’s better next season but I expected more 

[Basbear]

11 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

I would love to see a cut up of these pressures hes forcing on the qb. I see the statistic and with burns you see hes inches from a sack almost every play. With Brown i have really yet to see him get close unless the pocket is push up by the outside rush. I personally think he looks very Star like. Star had 3 sacks his first year and Brown could be in line for similar.

Which is the point. In a pass first league, is a player like that worth a top 10 pick? We had that with star and the panthers brain trust said no and didn't care to resign him. This to me looks very similar to a movie we have seen before.

Its nearly impossible to focus on DB and feel this way. Your a OG and good huddler for what I remember, this is a bad take. Please remember hes is one of the youngest players on the team, no rookie camp/OTAs, weird TC, and playing NT in a three man front(never did that in college). Hes playing close to 70% of the snaps with nothing in terms of " Oh poo we got to block that guy" next to him. Hes been showing raw manbeast power by forklifting NFL OG/C like he did in college. Either go back on focus on him(pick about any game) or focus on him in the coming weeks. 

[kungfoodude]

6 hours ago, beo said:

Hmmm.. I agree that a lot of the times fans are extremely stubborn about their draft day takes and tend to cling onto them hard since they usually aren't even watching the player that they were clamoring for which makes it easier to hold onto that opinion. But to play devil's advocate, I think it's a bit early to say that Brown was definitively the better pick.

The majority of the (rational) users in the Simmons camp expected him to take longer to develop,  there were still questions about how he'd fit into an NFL defense and he seemed to be pretty raw. With a team that was looking to enter a 5 year process as Tepper put it, picking up a project with extreme athletic gifts seemed like a fine pick. He'd grow along with the rest of our roster in what many of us expected to be a long rebuild. Granted, I am happier with getting Brown just because of how our overall draft shook out in hindsight, but in the first round we had no real way of knowing if we'd actually end up with Chinn or not. It also seems this team will be competing much sooner than any of us anticipated.

Another side note, after that clutch interception in overtime he had against Seattle, Simmons played 53% of the snaps last week and logged 4 solo tackles. Certainly not a world beater, but that's noticeably higher than the snaps he was logging prior to that big interception. His highest games outside of that 53% was a game where he played 29% of the snaps, followed by 24% and then nothing else above 20%. 

 

Oh yeah, Brown isn't any more of a sure bet at this point than Simmons is a bust. We likely won't know those answers for a few years.

It is way to early to be throwing definitives out.

[kungfoodude]

6 hours ago, theinstrumental said:

It's not as clear cut that anyone who didn't want him was wrong. A lot of the hesitation around him was based on positional value, and that hasn't changed. He's still a run-stuffing defensive tackle and there are still a bunch of offensive tackles, corners, and receivers who could've been taken around that spot who've been really good. 

Yeah. The story is far from written yet. I will say I am not upset at the pick at this point in time.

[micnificent28]

3 hours ago, Basbear said:

Its nearly impossible to focus on DB and feel this way. Your a OG and good huddler for what I remember, this is a bad take. Please remember hes is one of the youngest players on the team, no rookie camp/OTAs, weird TC, and playing NT in a three man front(never did that in college). Hes playing close to 70% of the snaps with nothing in terms of " Oh poo we got to block that guy" next to him. Hes been showing raw manbeast power by forklifting NFL OG/C like he did in college. Either go back on focus on him(pick about any game) or focus on him in the coming weeks. 

Appreciate the level of respect. But I dont think my take is that far fetched. Like I stated. He isn't a bad player at all. Just like star wasn't. I think hes closer to star than or Quinnen Williams  guy who maybe an under tackle for sure. What are we judging his value you on is the reason we disagree. My personal draft philosophy as I tried to explain is all on value. 10 players day 1 starters, superior athletes that regular starters just can't handle. 

I know what ,brown does best and he is good at it taking on 2 defenders and stoping the run. That is a great trait. But being a top 10 selection means you stop the run and pass both dominately. Look at previous first round defensive tackles and I dont think in recent memory has a 2 down stop the run only guy went this high.

And I know he plays more than 2 down but thats where he looks effective most in the eye test. When it is a known passing down I see them take him out and efi come in. I know he's young and developing, but this is about where he looks to me. And everyone is free to their own opinion and this is my take.

[kungfoodude]

10 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

Appreciate the level of respect. But I dont think my take is that far fetched. Like I stated. He isn't a bad player at all. Just like star wasn't. I think hes closer to star than or Quinnen Williams  guy who maybe an under tackle for sure. What are we judging his value you on is the reason we disagree. My personal draft philosophy as I tried to explain is all on value. 10 players day 1 starters, superior athletes that regular starters just can't handle. 

I know what ,brown does best and he is good at it taking on 2 defenders and stoping the run. That is a great trait. But being a top 10 selection means you stop the run and pass both dominately. Look at previous first round defensive tackles and I dont think in recent memory has a 2 down stop the run only guy went this high.

And I know he plays more than 2 down but thats where he looks effective most in the eye test. When it is a known passing down I see them take him out and efi come in. I know he's young and developing, but this is about where he looks to me. And everyone is free to their own opinion and this is my take.

It's early to assess positional value now. What you are saying is definitely not invalid but we also only have 9 games of data.

[micnificent28]

31 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

It's early to assess positional value now. What you are saying is definitely not invalid but we also only have 9 games of data.

Thats fair... im not saying he's a bad player at all.I will withhold further criticism before discussing at the end of the season. I hope he does succeed. I enjoy watching him in the run game already. 

[Wanderlai]

No. Wished Herbert would have been there.

[1of10Charnatives]

 

12 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

Appreciate the level of respect. But I dont think my take is that far fetched. Like I stated. He isn't a bad player at all. Just like star wasn't. I think hes closer to star than or Quinnen Williams  guy who maybe an under tackle for sure. What are we judging his value you on is the reason we disagree. My personal draft philosophy as I tried to explain is all on value. 10 players day 1 starters, superior athletes that regular starters just can't handle. 

I know what ,brown does best and he is good at it taking on 2 defenders and stoping the run. That is a great trait. But being a top 10 selection means you stop the run and pass both dominately. Look at previous first round defensive tackles and I dont think in recent memory has a 2 down stop the run only guy went this high.

And I know he plays more than 2 down but thats where he looks effective most in the eye test. When it is a known passing down I see them take him out and efi come in. I know he's young and developing, but this is about where he looks to me. And everyone is free to their own opinion and this is my take.

Yeah i'm with you on top 10 picks. In a league that is predicated on the QB and the passing game, the majority of Top 10 picks in my mind need to either be QB's, OT's, DE's or top flight CB's (not saying WR because talent at the position is not nearly as hard to come by as the others listed here.)  Spending a top 10 pick on a player who doesn't play passing only downs is something I'm skeptical of conceptually. Same root idea for why I've been campaigning against taking a MLB with our 1st rounder. Does Whitehead blow chunks? Absolutely. Do we have to try to replace him with Parsons or some other version of the second coming of Luke? IMO no.

By the same token while I like what I'm seeing out of Brown and think he will be solid to outstanding for us long term, to date I would still have rather we drafted Wirfs or Wills just based on positional value.  IF Brown evolves into that rare DT dominate against run AND pass, then maybe that changes over time, but at this point I think it's most likely he becomes a great run stopping DT who is average to good in pass rush, and while that's not at all bad to have, if you're asking me is that what I want to spend a top 10 pick on? 

No.