Line building

[thefuzz]

2 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

So the question is, is Little salvageable and moved inside to Guard.  

I was on record as not in favor of Grier.  That was another draft we could have used on a good o-lineman. 

No on the Little to G thing, he may be a backup at best at this point.

The Grier pick was just stupid.  Pick a player in the top 100 who you hope to never ever see the field.

 

[raz]

1 hour ago, ImaginaryKev said:

Which offensive lineman would you have preferred over McCaffrey, Moore, Burns, and Brown?

aren't those all 1st round picks?   where we're not targeting them is rounds 2-5 where there are a lot of good guards and centers which we desperately need.  draft before last we could have fixed the interior line 100% for 10 years in the middle rounds and we got little.   (accidental pun_

[onmyown]

It’s not a one season fluke like 2015. Saints oline is consistently one of the best for years and years.

I cannot remember when the oline was ranked above average since 2008 aside from 2015. Thats 12 years. 

The FO approached Gross’ retirement in 2014 with Oher, that failed. In 2016, 2 years later, 4 years too late,  M Kalil which failed horribly. Then failed on Little when they finally did try to draft a replacement 5 years later. Now they’re back to Patching, and failed at that.

The FO approached R Kalil’s retirement with Paradis. Which has failed.

The FO has pretty much ignored the G position since 2008 except Turner. Who is gone.

The question isn’t weapons. You can cherry pick all the successful weapons picked up and asked who to replace but what about all the failed picks and attempts? Or failed cap allocation ? Or failed to retain the weapons they did invest and draft in only to let them walk? The draft is 7 picks not 1, besides Turner and Little what other draft investments have been made over those last 12 years?
 

Why is the Panther’s  mantra to build through the draft? That’s not what is happening. Granted there is no money to do it, thanks to stupid decisions.

I wouldn’t say as a whole the line has been ignored. It’s worse than that. They’re incapable of fixing it. It’s probably best they’re not drafting more olineman...they’re incapable.

 

[saX man]

We’ve tried building through the draft and via FA.  Just not picking the right guys. Haven’t spent any firsts, but either way, just haven’t been getting them right. Hopefully that starts to change. Wouldn’t mind higher investments and I think this coming offseason will indeed be offense focused with a bit on LBs and CBs.

IMO it was the draft post SB that destroyed us. I can get our 1st and 2nd rounders in pretty much every other season but that draft set us back with crappy picks.

Also—Edmund Kugbila was a pick before Dave Bakhtiari. That’s the biggest retrospective stinger in my book. Especially bc Dave had the tackle and guard capabilities and Kugbila was, well Kugzila.

[UncleWillie]

1 hour ago, WarHeel said:

Focault this nonsense...

[TheSpecialJuan]

Saints o-line play was magnificent Sunday night vs Bucs. They have a great GM who keeps adding to it with Cesar Ruiz in this past draft. 

[PantherPhann89]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm not familiar with this particular Twitter, but I like the comparison they make here.

 

This is true statement, but one that applies to the Ron Rivera's staff. Rule's staff has had one draft and went all defense. I think less attention will be applied to the defense in the upcoming draft. I'm not saying we'll go all offense but much less defense, if any...

[UncleWillie]

Makes sense to use rounds 2-4 on linemen. First round seems too high unless they're a generational talent and after that it's pretty much depth. They wouldn't even need to use more than 1 to 2 picks on the O-line each year if done right. Even an average QB wins games with good blocking.

[TheSpecialJuan]

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If Spotrac’s projection of a four-year, $65m+ deal for Moton is accurate, the Panthers need to be willing to walk away – as good as Moton is, the tape just doesn’t support the idea of him being a top-5 NFL tackle, which is the ballpark that type of contract would suggest.

Not to mention the questions about what will happen with the salary cap in 2021 after the NFL produced much less revenue than was expected during the current season.

Moton returning to Carolina shouldn’t be dismissed, as there is always a chance that the market is much cooler on Moton than projections, which are a fairly inexact field, would indicate – but if the choice is resigning Moton or bringing back Curtis Samuel, John Miller, Rasul Douglas, Corn Elder and Efe Obada, the latter collection of players are likely to move the needle far more than a good right tackle – even a very good one.

Vincent Richardson with another excellent article https://theriotreport.com/decision-time-should-the-panthers-make-taylor-moton-one-of-the-highest-paid-tackles/

[Mr. Scot]

28 minutes ago, PantherPhann89 said:

This is true statement, but one that applies to the Ron Rivera's staff. Rule's staff has had one draft and went all defense. I think less attention will be applied to the defense in the upcoming draft. I'm not saying we'll go all offense but much less defense, if any...

Not just Rivera. The Panthers have a long history of defensive coaching that only asked the offense to do "just enough".

Rhule spent a few years of his career coaching offensive lines, and said in college that a lot of what they did was dependent on having a strong wall of blockers.

I'm definitely hoping things change.

[Khyber53]

1 hour ago, thefuzz said:

No on the Little to G thing, he may be a backup at best at this point.

The Grier pick was just stupid.  Pick a player in the top 100 who you hope to never ever see the field.

 

Little seems to have been really bottomed out due to injuries (particularly concussions) and that you just can't plan for. Jeff Otah back in the day looked like a perfect road grader but then the knee went and there went a first rounder. Can't hold injuries against the drafter or the player.

Now Grier... I think that was a flyer on Cam maybe not being the same player he was or in case of injuries. Then Grier couldn't even win second string in camp against a UDFA. Then he actually took the field and he was worse than we imagined. Wow, there were some warning signs there (and better choices available) but man, how did the guy end up sucking that bad... did Rivera and Co. just toss the kid some coloring books and let him self babysit instead of practicing him?

[kungfoodude]

2 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

So the question is, is Little salvageable and moved inside to Guard.  

I was on record as not in favor of Grier.  That was another draft we could have used on a good o-lineman. 

Little is not salvageable or we would have salvaged him. You are talking about a staff that has played DB's at RB, safeties at LB and DE's at DT. If they believed Little could play inside, it would have happened.

This isn't the Rivera days, these guys seem to try everything to be successful. Little is a bust.

[stirs]

Panther fans resemble management.

We need more weapons!

EVERY year at the combine, multiple threads about wanting the fastest guy, never fails.  Very shallow fan base, or, they want to be Jacksonville forever

[Mr. Scot]

The problem with Little is he's like the guy from the karate class that doesn't know how to react if you don't attack him the exact same way the instructor did.

When he's pass blocking, if somebody doesn't rush right at him he looks like he has no idea what to do.

I'm not sure I trust him to learn the intricacies of another position when he doesn't quite seem to grasp the one he's already spent the better part of two years in.