20+ yards air completions

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, jdr6000 said:

Teddy is better than most when it matters. Pressure doesn’t faze him. If there was a good line in front of him he would excel in the moments that matter most. Just ask Mike Zimmer. He and Matt had a good conversation about Teddy. Some people here don’t like this but Rhuke likes Teddy a lot. And he knows that when the line gets upgraded this offseason the team is going to make a major leap forward.

Pressure doesn't faze him?  Dafuq you talking about?   He's lost the last 3 games because of pressure

[jfra78]

1 hour ago, KSpan said:

 

He is though.

Eye test shows otherwise

[KSpan]

10 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Eye test shows otherwise

Mmkay, just like the eye test says otherwise about Teddy's arm.

The fact that Rhule opted to try a 67 yd field goal in a strong cross-wind instead of a hail mary says a lot as well.

[Varking]

2 hours ago, jfra78 said:

To his defense, he isnt getting a lot of time in the pocket or clean throws late in games.

This is true. 

[GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER]

27th in the league in intended air yards per attempt. the overwhelming majority of his throws are easy throws by nfl standards. he is extremely risk averse and isn’t pushing the ball downfield unless he has a man running wide open. there’s a reason why the panthers were bidding against themselves for teddy in the offseason

e: just saw varking already provided that stat on page 2 my bad

[WUnderhill]

Matty Noodle Arm and old man Brady are 2 and 3.

[ChibCU]

13 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

Yep. There's a lot of good about Teddy and some mighty good, too. Right now he is producing about middle of the road, and while we have been competitive in almost all of our games, it hasn't translated to wins yet. Do we move on? Maybe, maybe not.

On the maybe side, if one of the big name prospect QBs falls to our spot in the draft, I think you'd have to pull the trigger and put that guy on the bench to learn from Teddy for a year, maybe less. Maybe a younger arm with a good pedigree can make the difference. Then again, what might be the downfall for that prospect might also be what is keeping Teddy at the middle of the pack.

Our o-line is fair to poor with little depth. The center of the line just isn't very good, and our left tackle situation hinges on an injury-prone and moderately motivated first stringer and a second/third stringer that shows some promise and some deficiencies (Okung/Daley). We also don't really have a TE to speak of. 

We do have a good running back group and our receivers are better than advertised. 

This is all balanced out by a defense that, for all of the close games, really isn't that good at one factor: getting the other team off the field without scoring. We flat out suck at it. We've seen what, two punts total in two games now? No QB is ever really great if they are constantly in shoot-out mode and they have a deficiency in opportunities (not to mention field position... right now just about every series starts for Teddy with 75 yards of field ahead of him).

Yeah, a new QB might light things on fire and solve the problems. Or maybe we solve the problems for our QB and see how he performs. We can get more mileage out of the second approach, in my opinion.

This is an example of critical thinking. Some of y’all could use more of this in your life. 
 

@GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER being one of those. What is a factor that might impact intended air yards per attempt? Hint: Starts with O. Another factor? Scheme. Another factor? CMC’s top-tier pass-catching ability.  

[CmC2k]

Teddy is just here to play QB not be the face of the franchise. I think teddy knows that we will probably take a QB in the draft at some point to replace him. Teddy is just happy to have a place where he's a starting QB again and he's making a lot more money than he would be staying a back up brees. With the decision to let cam go we had to sign someone who was at least capable of playing QB at the NFL level because you can't evaluate your roster and improve your coaching if you put Will or PJ out there for 16 games while we do our best 2008 Detroit lions impression.

[CmC2k]

14 hours ago, Mage said:

It isn't that simple though.  

And look, I'm not even trying to get into the whole "is Teddy a good deep ball passer?" argument because anything that can be said, has been said, on both sides.

But this leaderboard doesn't tell the whole story.  If it was as simple as it being simple facts, then the conclusion that could be drawn is that Teddy Bridgewater is as good of a deep passer as Russell Wilson and Deshaun Watson, and on par with Patrick Mahomes.  But obviously anyone who watches football knows that isn't true.

I don't think Teddy is a bad deep ball passer.  But he's definitely not "top 10 at throwing deep" good as the rankings would imply.  He's middle-of-the-pack.  He'll make the throws then they are available to him deep (a credit to both Teddy and Brady), but not much more.

And that isn't a bad thing.  Nobody is asking him to be Russ or Watson or Mahomes.  He's done a very good job playing within the system.  But I also think it is valid to ponder how much better the offense could be if we had someone who could push it down the field at will.  

Teddy throws deep only if a guy is open those other guys have the ability to throw guys open deep. Teddys lack of an elite arm to throw guys open deep down the field is what keeps him from being a franchise QB. A pretty good QB keeps you in the game on the road against the 7-1 defending champs while a franchise QB wins.

[jfra78]

50 minutes ago, CmC2k said:

Teddy throws deep only if a guy is open those other guys have the ability to throw guys open deep. Teddys lack of an elite arm to throw guys open deep down the field is what keeps him from being a franchise QB. A pretty good QB keeps you in the game on the road against the 7-1 defending champs while a franchise QB wins.

You could argue that a gunslinger would not have the same chance to win at the end of the game with this team.  We were in contention to win that game because of the type of play that Teddy gives you, slow methodical, ball controll offense is KCs weakness. Try to out gun them you will lose, especially with the defense we have

[parker]

I don't think anyone is going to mistake Teddy for a dynamic QB, but he is by far our greatest weakness right now.

[nctarheelreincarnated]

1 hour ago, jfra78 said:

You could argue that a gunslinger would not have the same chance to win at the end of the game with this team.  We were in contention to win that game because of the type of play that Teddy gives you, slow methodical, ball controll offense is KCs weakness. Try to out gun them you will lose, especially with the defense we have

I would also argue a gunslinger could do both. Slow methodical ball control, and sling it when it's needed. I don't believe Teddy could do both. 

[GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER]

3 hours ago, ChibCU said:

This is an example of critical thinking. Some of y’all could use more of this in your life. 
 

@GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER being one of those. What is a factor that might impact intended air yards per attempt? Hint: Starts with O. Another factor? Scheme. Another factor? CMC’s top-tier pass-catching ability.  

his passing chart flattened even more after mccaffrey went down. and for this talk of "critical thinking" you sure aren't in a position to talk. scheme is a "chicken or the egg" situation here. the reliance on short safe passes this year isn't some great outlier. he looks like he always has. people like you are doing teddy an incredible disservice, overselling his performances and generating backlash that he doesn't deserve. he is a fine quarterback. low end starter, high end backup

[theinstrumental]

4 hours ago, ChibCU said:

This is an example of critical thinking. Some of y’all could use more of this in your life. 
 

@GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER being one of those. What is a factor that might impact intended air yards per attempt? Hint: Starts with O. Another factor? Scheme. Another factor? CMC’s top-tier pass-catching ability.  

Joe Burrow averaged almost 11 yards per attempt in this scheme. Teddy has one of the fastest receiver groups in the league. The offensive line isn't very good; fine. There are still too many factors that would allow Teddy to throw the ball downfield to just chalk it all up to circumstance. Especially since Teddy's never been above 7 intended yards per attempt. This is just who he is.